A Question for Flat Earth Theorists

In honor of Rob Skiba’s “having your cake and eating it too” position of being a “questioning globalist” while maintaining a website The Flat Earth Theory dedicated to popularizing intellectually bankrupt flat earth theories, I would like ask him a new question. In fact, the question is directed to all who question the spherical shape of the earth.

Voyager_aircraftHow can an airplane like the Rutan Model 76 Voyager fly without refueling or stopping, in straight course and end up right where it started, if the earth is not a sphere? It’s been done many times now.  That is the challenge, please use diagrams and mathematics to show how this is possible given your flat earth model. see

Voyager: The World Flight (The Official Log, Flight Analysis and Narrative Explanation in the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum Records)

Correction: the course was not perfectly straight, rather the navigated around mountains and whatnot but the heading was still relatively straight. Here is the exact course (which still falsifies a flat earth):


Guess what? It had already been done back in 1949, traveling straight without landing once, but they refueled in the air. The flight instrumentation is very precise and the pilots navigated a straight course around the globe, how so given a flat earth?

The first non-stop flight around the world was made by, again, a team of the US Air Force flyers in 1949. Taking off from Carswell Air Force base in Fort Worth, Texas on 26 February, Captain James Gallagher and a crew of 14 headed east in a B-50 Superfortress, called Lucky Lady II. They were refuelled four times in air by KB-29 tanker planes of the 43rd Air Refuelling Squadron, over the Azores, Saudi Arabia, the Philippines and Hawaii. The circumnavigation was completed on 2 March, having traveled 94 hours and 1 minute, covering 37 743 km (23,452 miles) at an average 398 km/h (249 mph).   http://www.didyouknow.cd/aroundtheworld/flight.htm

Stems From Bad Biblical Interpretation

What makes this all the worse, is that proponents of flat earth belief attempt to use the Bible to support the false belief.  I agree that some passages imply a flat earth with a dome over it. But teaching earth science was not the purpose of those passages. God used ancient human authors and ancient human language to convey a moral/theological message. The original authors had a lot of backward superstitious beliefs but God still used them because he was not teaching a scientific message to modern people. To rip scripture out of its ancient context in order to answer a modern scientific concern–that would have not even occurred to the original author–is an abuse.

The Bible is a collection of 66 books by over 40 authors over a period spanning 1400 BC to 90 AD. The meaning of scripture is what the original author intended for the original reader and it is our job as moderns to learn what that was. It was not written to 21st century people, it was written to ancient people in ancient Hebrew and Greek, so it is written for us but not to us. It was written to the ancient folks, so we must endeavor to understand it in its ancient context not impose our own. Using the Bible to determine a scientific question like the shape of the earth is abusing the Bible the same way skeptics do in order to dismiss its moral authority. It’s about theology and morality, not science.  

Bad Science and Math

The earth was proven to be a sphere in around 170- 180 BC by Eratosthenes, a



Greek scholar that lived in 275-194 B.C. in Alexandria, Egypt. He invented the discipline of geography, including the terminology still used today. Please follow the links to learn about the incredible power of mathematics. God created a mathematically discernible reality that we can describe in equations. The rational intelligibility of the universe is one of the strongest evidences for intelligent design — creation was designed by a logical mathematical mind. Indeed, math is the language of creation, it is God’s language. If your beliefs do not agree with the math, you’re probably in error.

You can use high school level math and geometry prove the earth is a sphere for yourself. It’s not at all controversial. 

About Cris Putnam
Logos Apologia is the ministry of Cris D. Putnam. The mission of Logos Apologia is to show that logic, science, history and faith are complementary, not contradictory and to bring that life-changing truth to everybody who wants to know.


  1. bethywethy says:

    The pumelo video leaves out a crucial fact: if you hover the light above just one of the nails, the other nail will produce a shadow whether the nails are on a sphere OR a flat plane. So the fruit and nail experiment cannot prove we live on a sphere.

  2. glyn jay says:

    i have been looking into this theory but i just haave one question… if the flat earth theory is true why cant we get the the edge of earth and fall off? if that makes sense? looking forward to a reply. cheers

    • JAH says:

      Yours is a really elementary question, there are so many theories and models as to what the earth may be like. Only you can decide what you believe about this. Few (other than governments) have the resources to “prove” anything concerning the “edges.”

      In answer to you your question, Do you own a plate? If you do, take a look at it. Is it flat? Yes. Is it completely flat? No, the outer edge is elevated. Why is the outer edge elevated? So things don’t fall off the plate.

      Most flat earth theories involve some type of raised edge to the plane. Please look into it and decide for yourself.

      youtube: Rob Skiba, Mark Sargent, Eric Dubay (200 proofs)

    • Tim says:

      I don’t think any sane person would step (or fall) off an edge. But, if it is there, why hasn’t anyone ever produced a photograph, of the edge (or raised rim)? We live in an age, where flight is ubiquitous. The same is true, of photography.
      Just another question, for JAH and his plate: If we consider the Earth, as analogous to a plate, then the elevated rim is a given. But, looking at our plate, we notice that it has two sides. There would be the side, where we would put food. But, there is also a bottom or back side. So, in accepting the analogy, of the plate representing the Earth, we must certainly agree that since the plate has a flip side, that the Earth must also have one. My question is: What does Flat Earth Theory suggest is on Earth’s flip side?

      • Chad says:


      • JAH says:

        I personally would have to agree with Chad. I agree with Chad because that’s what the Bible says: 1 Samuel 2:8 – “For the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, And He has set the world upon them.” Job 9:6 – “He shakes the earth out of its place, And its pillars tremble;” Other than that I don’t know, my concern is with my side of the “plate.” If you would like to know more, I recommend “testingtheglobe(dot)com” Rob Skba has done some excellent modeling of Biblical Cosmology.

      • Tim says:

        And what are the pillars set on…?

        • JAH says:

          “And what are the pillars set on…?” Really? Are you serious? Is that a real question? If it is, I’ll leave you to find the answer to that. Like I said before, I’m concerned about the side that I live on. I personally have no plans on visiting the “Underworld.” Questions about the Underworld would be more of a concern for those heading in that direction. By the way, did you check out testingtheglobe(dot)com – “One Man’s Quest For Truth” tab – “Pillars of the Earth” tab yet? Or do you expect others to do all your homework?

  3. Charles Nagel says:

    The Arctic tern just heard the world was a Spinning Globe … ” Say What “

  4. Bounce Tate says:

    My flat earth question: Where did John Glenn go on February 20, 1962? What is the flat earth explanation?

    • JAH says:

      Where do you think he went?

      • Astropolis says:

        We know he orbited the earth, but we have the unfair advantage of being sane.

        • JAH says:

          How do YOU “know” he orbited the earth?

          • Astropolis says:

            It is well documented. So you think otherwise, and if so why?

          • JAH says:

            Well if it’s “well documented” that DEFINITELY settles it!

            Oh My, I have been schooled 🙁

            I now know that believing “legends” = sanity. I am so ashamed.

          • Astropolis says:

            This is called the owl strategy: hoot at anything you don’t understand.

            It’s what I’ve come to expect from the flatties. No evidence, no references nothing to back up the assertion that despite a thing being well documented, just the offensive cocksure comment born of complete and abysmal ignorance.

            Yes, you jolly well should be ashamed. Ashamed of denying the achievements of the greatest band of engineers and scientists the world has ever seen, ashamed of propagating the flat earth lie, ashamed of taking up space on this overcrowded planet.

          • JAH says:

            I ruv roo, Reorge.

            Astro, you are like a diety. Living in the City of the Stars. You’re all knowing, you are everywhere all the time. I can only hope that someday I’ll be just like you! Don’t stop believin’ the legend.

          • JAH says:

            You know what else is well documented? Little thought tyrants always think they get to decide who lives and who dies (“you jolly well should be ashamed… of taking up space on this overcrowded planet.”)

            “You must believe in the gods Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo or … you must die,” declares Astro, deity of the City of the Stars. “I alone am worthy to decide because I believe in the exploits of a merry band of Legends.”

            Q: If they really could do it, why did they fake it?

  5. Bob says:

    So if you agree a North Pole exists on a flat earth and that all directions away from it are south then I think I can prove this flat earth theory is rubbish by simple maths, and you can prove it yourself by paying for a few flights in the Southern Hemisphere. If you draw my explanation on a flat earth map you will find this easier to understand. If you fly south for 1000 miles from the North Pole , then 1000 miles west, then 1000 miles north again you end up back at the exact same point, the North Pole. You flew in a triangle! Anywhere in the northern hemisphere where you try this you end up with a triangle ish shape but the top point doesn’t fully meet (only the North Pole one meets fully) . If you draw this shape on a flat earth map you will see what I mean /_\ this is how your northern hemisphere flights will always look on a flat earth and also a spherical planet and to prove this shape all you need to do is fly east back to your original starting point and measure this final journey mileage. The distance is shorter than your bottom section east to west flight. Now this is exactly how it’s supposed to look because a North Pole exists as one single point. Now this is where a flat earth fails in my opinion because if you try this method in the Southern Hemisphere on a flat earth the same shape would exist where it’s a triangle ish shape with the top point pointing towards the North Pole and the distance from your east to west flight being longer than your west to east flight back to your original position , like this again /_\ but if you actual do this for real the shape you get is one where the triangle ish shape points south like this \_/ because in the Southern Hemisphere you’re flying to a southern single point known as the South Pole. Your flight from east to west will be shorter than your final flight west to east back to your original starting point. Draw this flight on a flat earth model and the triangle will always point north whether you’re in the northern hemisphere or Southern Hemisphere but in reality northern hem will look like /_\ and souther hem will be \_/ because a north and South Pole exists as a single point on a spherical planet. Saying that every direction from north is south is just utter BS and blows your theory out the water because a flat earth then can’t have a single southern pole point and by then using simple maths and taking a few flights yourself you can disprove it. Just by drawing a North Pole on your flat earth map and radiate lines from this point south in all directions you can clearly see that flights in a flat earth s.hemisphere will be the wrong shape for what exists in the ‘real world’ .

    • JAH says:

      Nice theory Bob, Go For It!

      I’ll be waiting for the actual results of your excursion.

      • Bob says:

        The theory of a spherical earth has been round for many years and there are countless experiments, calculations, explanations that disprove a flat earth. If you want people to believe that the flat earth exists it is down to the flat earthers to prove it, not the rounders. My theory is credible and it can be answered easily, I have given the flat earthers a chance to disprove it by a way that doesn’t cost lots of money or risk any lives like flying over the South Pole . You can see the theory fails on a flat earth by drawing the flights on a map of a flat earth in the s.hemisphere. You can clearly see it!! And then you can go out and actually measure it. You can’t explain it any other way other than a flat earth doesn’t exist. All these other theories you put forward against the rounders explanations aren’t 100% accurate but you give a good enough answer to put doubts in to people’s mind but my theory is 100% correct. You can not disprove it and I don’t need to take the excursion to show I’m right. You need to take it to clear your own mind and make your mind up….but I guess none of you will because once you draw it on your flat earth map you will see I am right in what I say and there’s no way on this spherical planet you can prove me wrong so why waste your time…instead you give the most ‘flat’ answer I’ve seen on here in response to an explanation of why the earth isn’t round and that is to just ignore the facts and challenge me to go and actually do the excursion. You do realise you have flight data you can access on the web of flight paths and distances and you can work out my flight ‘shapes’ quite confidently. No flights needed as millions of flights have already taken place which can be used to disprove you.

  6. JAH says:

    So your THEORY is “100% correct,” but you don’t have to prove it? Globalists keeping telling me they can prove it, but never actually do. Sounds like “All Hat and No Cattle” to me.

    • Bob says:

      I have already proven it from sitting on my sofa. I told you that if you draw the flight shapes I described a flat earth creates a triangular shape where the top points towards the North Pole at all times like this /_\ whether you’re in the northern or Southern Hemisphere. Whereas in the real world the same flight in the southern hemiphere actually creates a triangular shape pointing the opposite way as the triangular shape points towards the South Pole like this \_/ . On a spherical earth the South Pole and north pole exist as a single point which is why these shapes exist and in a flat earth the South Pole doesn’t exist as south is a radiated direction away from the North Pole. Take a long hard look at your flat earth map and you choose a city in the Southern Hemisphere. Now measure 1000 miles south then 1000 miles west then 1000 miles north and see where you end up. I can 100% guarantee you will be too far east of where you would actually be if you flew that journey. If you traced this journey on a round earth it will match the journey exactly!!

      • JAH says:

        So far you’ve only proven that you’re a couch potato (by your own confession.)

        Wouldn’t it be cool if we could give Bob a pad of paper and a pencil and never have to do a real world experiment to test the theory? We could really save some serious money. I mean there is no difference between his piece of paper and the real world.

        All Hat and NO Cattle!

        • Bib says:

          Flat earth is your ‘theory’ . It is down to you to prove it with factual proven evidence. You cast my flight shape theory out the window saying I need to actually prove it yet all you flat earthers have nothing but unproven theories yourselves, all hat and no cattle?!! Works both ways! I was simply giving you a non cost simple task which will take you 2 minutes to draw on your flat earth map to check yet you won’t even do it and acknowledge that at least the shape I described is 100% correct for a flight in ‘your’ s.hemisphere being /_\ ….you know I’m right that’s why. Come on!!! I challenge you to draw it on your map and tell me it is not shaped like that. If you’re so confident in your flat earth theories you should draw that flight shape and then be able to describe why it is like /_\ and not \_/ …..and then make me look stupid by proving me wrong by backing up your ‘theory’ with factual proven evidence. …..I’ll sit here on my comfortable couch waiting for you to tell me that my flight shapes are correct.

          • JAH says:

            Hey Bob, the very first reply I made to you is as follows:

            “05/04/2016 at 9:58 am

            Nice theory Bob, Go For It!

            I’ll be waiting for the actual results of your excursion.”

            I stand by that your theory is a “Nice Theory,” but a theory is just a theory until tested & proven in a real world test.

            I’m not sure what you mean by “my flat earth map,” I don’t have a flat earth map. I just know the earth is not what we’ve been told it is. I know it’s not a globe and I know it’s not moving. You are the one trying to convince me of something, It is your theory. It is your responsibility to prove it. Globe earth is the “new kid” on the block in light of history.

            I believe in a flat enclosed world. I don’t know exactly what shape it is or the exact configuration of the continents so I don’t know what drawing lines on someone’s map (or globe for that matter) would prove. Anything other than a real world test would only tell us about the contour of what we are drawing on. Your test in a real world experiment actually has potential to tell us a lot about the world, on paper not so much. But I think in real world experimentation you would find it a much more complex problem than your flat earth map would indicate.

            I’ve decided I can’t convince anyone about the shape of the earth. No one could have convinced me until I looked into it myself. I know now the earth is not a sphere it is some sort of a relative plane. I know now the sun, moon and stars are all inside the firmament and are moving above the still plane of the earth. I know no one goes to space and no one landed on the moon. We’ve been lied to. We don’t get to build a tower that reaches to Heaven, Nimrod wasn’t allowed to and neither are we. Jesus is the ONLY way to God, He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, No One gets to the Father except Through Him.

            You believe in the Globe? You don’t need to convince me, you need to convince yourself. Hope that goes well for you, God Speed!

          • Astropolis says:

            If you want to think that the Earth is flat that’s just stupidity and refusal to look at the evidence on your part. Introducing the bible to back up your lunacy is very offensive to those of us who actually are Christians. Please don’t do it.

          • JAH says:

            Is that you Astro? Diety of the City of the Stars? Woof, Woof.

            If you want to think that the Earth is a sphere that’s just stupidity and refusal to look at the evidence on your part.

            Matthew 5:22 (KJV)
            22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

            Is it your contention that this issue has bearing on salvation?

            James 3:1-18 (KJV)
            1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
            2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body…
            5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
            6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
            7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
            8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
            9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
            10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
            11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
            12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
            13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
            14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
            15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
            16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
            17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
            18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

        • frank says:

          so where the —- is your proof of a flat earth dh?

  7. JAH says:

    Hey Astro, yoo-hoo, anyone home?

    “Introducing the bible to back up your lunacy is very offensive to those of us who actually are Christians.”

    I spent some time this morning going over your posts and can find NO evidence that you are a Christian from your posts. (Although, I did find a lot of evidence that you are quite arrogant.) I noticed you have never used the Bible to defend your position. If you are one of those “who actually are Christians,” why not?

    I personally would like to know the truth about the world that we live in. I believe the Bible is the primary source of truth. Everything else has to submit to the Word of God, not the other way around. Matthew 24:35 (KJV) “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” I would like to know what the Bible actually says, not just what the “traditions of men” say it says. For whatever reason your “faith” seems unable to stand up to questioning. You seem to be more about “suppressing the truth,” not revealing it.

    I would love it if you could prove that the earth is a sphere (I just want to know the truth) unfortunately you’re just not very good at what you do. So, you are forced to call people stupid that disagree. Of course the Great Astropolis could never be a poor communicator.

    Or maybe, just maybe it is not provable, either way? Maybe it is a…(God forbid)…a matter of faith. Now that is offensive! Scientism says we can know everything. Scientist are the new priests. Astronots are the new saints. (Merry “Band” of worshipful men that they may be.)

    And those “who actually are Christians” dare not step out of line. They willingly submit to their controllers while selecting big names (like Astropolis) to match their big egos. They baffle people with B.S. and claim they are “Defenders of the Faith.” But in reality they are just petty, insecure little thought Nazis whose faith is unable to stand up to questioning. That sounds like a personal problem to me. 2 Corinthians 13:5 (KJV) “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?”

    Oh, sorry, I know how use of scripture offends you… hmmm…actual Christian?

    Astro, you have been put on trial for being an “actual Christian.” After like 30 posts no evidence can be found. Verdict: Not Guilty!

    I personally don’t believe they got the verdict right, they just had to go with the evidence.

    2 Thessalonians 2:11 (NKJV)
    11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

    Which one of us is living the “strong delusion?” Flat or Sphere? Big Bang or Carefully Constructed?
    Genesis 11:4 (NKJV) “And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”


    • Astropolis says:

      It is unlikely that you would find the evidence for my beliefs. After all you can’t see the evidence for a spheroidal Earth.

      • JAH says:

        So that’s it? You have nothing?

        After all your bravado, your not even going to try? You’re just going to take your “ball” and go home?

        The great Astropolis goes down in flames?

        1 Peter 3:15 (KJV) “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear”

        I actually had high hopes that you would be able to make a scriptural case for the heliocentric universe. Pretty anti-climatic. I think this scripture is applicable: 1 Corinthians 14:38 (KJV) “But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

        • Astropolis says:

          Why attempt to make a scriptural case for any sort of universe? God gave us the bible to tell us about himself and each other, he gave us brains so that we could do science. The bible makes no statements about physical reality because God has, in the words of the maths textbooks, decided that science should be “Left as an exercise for the reader.”

          If you want a quotation here is one you should take note of: Matt 22:29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.”

          • JAH says:

            Matt 22:29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.” Back at you Astro (woof woof)

            “The bible makes no statements about physical reality because God has, in the words of the maths textbooks, decided that science should be “Left as an exercise for the reader.”

            Are you serious? I mean as one of those who is an “actual Christian,” are you serious? You actually believe “The bible makes no statements about physical reality?” You actually believe the Creator has nothing to say about the nature of His creation? Instead of appealing to scripture, you appeal to “the words of the maths textbooks?”, And you believe that God “decided that science should be “Left as an exercise for the reader.” Come on Astro, the actual Christian, I think we deserve to get chapter and verse on that one.

            I am astounded (seeing you are an “actual Christian”) at your lack of respect for the Bible and your lack of faith in God. I understand now why you avoid the Bible to support your position. There is no love of the truth in you. You are a stranger to the Gospel. You are a gnostic. You are a poser.

            Jesus said, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father except through Him.”

            Hebrews 3:13-15 (NKJV)
            13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
            14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
            15 while it is said: “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

        • JFC says:

          seriously JAH quoting parts of the Bible out of context none of that proves your point it just proves you’ll list down any verse that sounds good 2 Thessalonians 2:11 is only one part of a whole the verse even ends with a colon and 2:12 says what the delusion is about nothing to do with your theory Genesis 11:4 is a quote from a group of people who were trying to rebel against God by trying to rebel against God it is not the words of God and not backed up anywhere in the Bible that they knew what they were doing they just did not want to spread out 1 Peter 3:15 just read the end of the verse i doubt the shape of the earth has anything to do with anyone’s reason for the hope that is in them and please check your grammar next time your spelling is horrible and as for the shape of the earth the Bible only provides metaphors and if you take those verses literally they contradict each other so good luck on that

  8. JAH says:

    youtube video: Is Flat Earth the front line of the war between “Science” and the Bible? (Rob Skiba Channel)

    • Cris Putnam says:

      No its not… the front line is theistic evolution. The shape of the earth is decided and uncontroversial.

      • JAH says:

        Cris Putnum,

        When Skiba asks, “Is Flat Earth the front line of the war between “Science” and the Bible?” you reply, “No its not… the front line is theistic evolution.” Why? Because you say so???

        Skiba asks a legitimate question, you give a very lazy answer. Is that how it is done now days? Just dismiss any questions you don’t like?

        Are you FOR theistic evolution or AGAINST it? Your readers would like to know. You don’t say.

        You say, ” The shape of the earth is decided and uncontroversial.” Who decided? How was it decided? Because it has been “decided” should no one question it or look at it again to confirm it? If you took that approach on your other research you’d be out of a job.

        “Uncontroversial?” Have you looked at your own website lately? There’s not one post that you’ve made in the past year that has garnered 1/10th the interest (418+ comments to 35 in an article about the Pope?)

        It seems to me the Pope makes a declaration “and it is so.” No one is supposed to question it. Now Cris Putnam makes a declaration “and it is so…?”

        As you wrote, “Our task is to save the phenomena. It doesn’t matter if our models are true, all that matters is that our models work mathematically.”

        Putnam, Cris (2014-05-26). The Supernatural Worldview: Examining Paranormal, Psi, and the Apocalyptic (Kindle Locations 6570-6571). Defense Publishing. Kindle Edition.

        Is that what your about Cris, “saving the phenomena?” Or are you about the truth? I still would love to see you get together with Rob Skiba and work these things through. But, I know, the next book about the Pope is calling, no time for real research.

        Romans 3:4 (KJV)
        4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

  9. JAH says:

    Check out this youtube video by Eric Dubay (on the Eric Dubay Channel) “Flat Earth is the Most Important Truth.”

  10. Steven says:

    This question may have already been asked and answered.
    If the pilot of this plane used a compass then the pilot would be circumnavigating the north pole.
    The burden of proof is on those that believe the round earth theory.
    Every day people are proving that there is no curvature of the earth by using scientific methods.
    However the “smartest people” on the earth who also believer that we evolved from monkeys and that somehow out of a big bang that something was created out of nothing.
    As much research that you have done on the Vatican and the deception that comes from that group I thought you of all people would put a little effort into your response.
    Because of the Cognitive Dissonance you are refusing to take the time to actually look at the astounding Biblical and scientific evidence supporting the Enclosed earth model.
    This could bring suspect your researching ability on the books that you have written and will write int he future.
    Don’t let your big brain and your beliefs in other theories blind you to what may be a truth so big that it is inconceivable to the rational mind.

    • JAH says:

      Well said Steven.

    • JAH says:

      Mind Controlled Masses Allow NASA Free Passes (check it out on youtube)

      “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

      ― Carl Sagan

      NASA has bamboozled us all.