Will Washington DC, Vatican City and Jerusalem Host the Revealing?

Exo-VaticanaBy Cris D. Putnam

In both Apollyon Rising and Petrus Romanus, a synchronicity between Vatican City and Washington DC was suggested concerning the eschatological beliefs of the Occult Elite pertaining to the return of Apollo, whom they believe will rule a final earthly empire. The capitols in both cities feature an occult architecture between a dome (feminine) and an obelisk (phallic Egyptian symbol of fertility), which seems to suggest a sorcerous birth. Our present investigation has yielded another link between Vatican City and Washington DC—a ufological one. Some readers might be familiar with this old photo seen on various UFO websites:


This photo clearly shows St. Peter’s obelisk with a formation of UFOs in the sky above. However, what most websites do not say is that the photo is not genuine, but rather was created as an illustration by the Italian weekly, L’Europeo, for a story that ran on February 3, 1957, describing an actual sighting that occurred on November 6, 1954, by an Italian government official, Console Alberto Perego.[1] This illustration was created based on Perego’s eyewitness testimony, and it was never represented as an actual photo of the event. However, this was a real event with lots of supporting evidence.

On November 6, 1954, Italian diplomat Dr. Alberto Perego reported seeing a fleet of UFOs over Vatican City to numerous agencies including the Vatican and its astronomical observatory. The National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena (or NICAP) was a civilian UFO research group active in the United States from the 1950s to the 1980s. They preserved the following record:

According to Italian diplomat Alberto Perego, at that time working in Rome (he was later attached to the Italian Consulate in Belo Horizonte, Brazil) hundreds of people watched a display of numerous small lights like “white spots, sometimes with a short white trail” which formed and reformed in rough geometrical patterns resembling successively the letters “V” and “X”, then separated into two “serpentine curves” which moved off in different directions.[2]

Perego published his testimony along with diagrams of the formations in books published only in Italian, but, fortunately, also in English for a 1985 issue of Flying Saucer Review (the article is included on the free data DVD provided with the first release of Exo-Vaticana when purchased from SurvivorMall.com). He indicated they flew in formation directly over the Vatican:

At noon, a large formation of twenty machines, the largest formation I had yet seen, appeared from the East, flying towards Ostia, and almost immediately after that I saw a similar night of twenty more coming from the opposite direction, i.e. from Ostia. The two “V”-shaped squadrons converged rapidly until the vertices of the two “V”s met, thus forming a perfect “St. Andrew’s Cross” of forty machines, with ten to each bar. The convergence occurred at an estimated altitude of 7,000 or 8,000 metres over the Trastevere Monte Mario district of Rome, and consequently right over the Vatican City itself.[3]

A few days later, Perego went to the Vatican Observatory, where his sighting was corroborated. “Then I visited the Vatican Observatory at Castel Gandolfo, near Rome. There the Director of the Specola Vaticana, Father Zilwes, informed me that at about 11:00 a.m. on November 12 a Brazilian priest who was on duty in the Observatory had seen some strange objects pass twice over the Observatory, very low at terrific speed, and with no sound.”[4]

Thus, it seems the Vatican astronomers have been aware of the UFO reality for much longer and to a greater extent than formerly admitted. But this is where the story gets even more bizarre, because the article we extracted this testimony from was titled, “‘Great Crosses’ Over Rome and Washington, D.C., in November 1954.”

A US Navy commander based in Washington, DC, Alvin E. Moore, was working for the Scientific Intelligence Department of the CIA at the time. Not a man prone to fanciful imaginings, he reported a remarkably similar phenomenon involving flying saucers on November 9, 1954, over the US Capitol:

When I left the office at 5 p.m. I saw in the western half of the sky—and mainly in the southwestern quadrant—above the long, narrow, horizontal skyribbon—two huge X’s or crosses of pearly white vapor. I thought that in medieval days an observer of such huge crosses in the sky probably would have considered them an omen. They looked, however, more like X’s than crosses having right-angle parts; and I concluded that each of four flying saucer emissions of propulsion materials had crossed another to form the X’s above the horizontal ribbon-like line of gas or vapor.[5]

While we are not exactly sure what to make of all this, the parallel formations are suggestive, given the occult architecture of the two cities. Additionally, Gordon Creighton, the editor of Flying Saucer Review and the reporter who broke the story, has written elsewhere concerning UFOs, “I do believe that the great bulk of these phenomena are what is called satanic.”[6] Might these corresponding cities be the chosen locations where an Alien Savior stages The Revealing?


The Revealing is the name of our friend and colleague L. A. Marzulli’s third novel in the Nephilim series. The cover of that book features a fleet of flying saucers over Jerusalem. What most people don’t know is that the back story to the cover comes from a purportedly ancient text that surfaced in the late 1990s and made a brief splash in the media before disappearing into obscurity, the Angel Scroll. Scholars derived the scroll’s name from one of its verses, which describes a mystical tour of the heavens undertaken by the scroll author in the company of an angel with the obscure Hebrew name Pnimea. The text features accounts of a number of mystical, celestial journeys, in which the author is shown the secrets of the universe. According to the press at the time:

Rumors have circulated for years among scholars in the Holy Land that one of the scrolls—the religious writings of the Essenes found in caves near the Dead Sea between 1947 and 1954—made its way to an antiquities dealer in one of the nearby Arab capitols.
On Monday, the Jerusalem Report magazine reported that in 1974, Benedictine monks bought the parchment filled with 1,000 lines of Hebrew text, spirited it to a monastery on the German-Austrian border and secretly studied it. The monks were sworn to secrecy, but one—identified only by the pseudonym Mateus—broke the vow, bequeathing a transcript and his commentary to a German friend after his death in 1996.[7]

According to all available accounts, the Benedictine monks of the Roman Catholic Church have intentionally kept this scroll from public view. Believing it too important to remain hidden, German Benedictine, Matheus Gunther, reportedly said, “I promised that I would not carry the secret of this missing scroll with me to my grave.”[8] Accordingly, he had arranged for it to be publicized upon his death, which occurred in 1996. Dr. Stephen Pfann, a leading Dead Sea Scrolls scholar, examined the copies of the text and determined that it could be authentic. However, the promised scroll was never delivered for a true investigation. At this point, a hoax seems unlikely, because there was never a profit motive involved. Could it be that the Benedictines were able to stifle the revelation? According to Phann, the text is full of “divine chariot-throne themes with elaborate details of angels ascending heaven’s multiple gates.”[9] Dr. Michael Heiser, a colleague of Phann, was shown a copy of the text and used it as the “Apocalypse Scroll” in his novel The Façade. The line that inspired the cover of Marzulli’s book involved Jerusalem under attack by “thousands of sun disks.”[10] The Angel Scroll remains an enigma, but could its prediction of a UFO invasion over Jerusalem be the reason for its suppression by the Benedictine order?

Whatever the case may be, readers will come to understand the book cover for Exo-Vaticana is not simply the product of someone’s fanciful imagination. According to reliable witnesses and photographic evidence, something like what we have pictured has occurred more than once. The 1978 tri-papacy tangential to an extraordinary UFO display over the Vatican, along with its return upon John Paul II’s death, more than justifies the artist’s rendering on our book cover.

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[1] Italian specialist Giuseppe Stilo explained that this alleged photo case was first known when the Italian weekly L’Europeo released it on February 3, 1957. For more information, see: http://www.ikaros.org.es/fotocat1954.pdf.

[2] Martin Shough, “Oct/Nov. 1957, United Kingdom,” NICAP, addendum at bottom of report, last accessed January 26, 2013, http://www.nicap.org/reports/5410XXUnitedKingdom_report.htm.

[3] Gordon Creighton, “‘Great Crosses’ Over Rome and Washington, D.C., in November 1954,” Flying Saucer Review, vol. 30, no. 4 (1985), as viewable here: http://www.ignaciodarnaude.com/avistamientos_ovnis/Creighton-Perego,Crosses%201954,Rome-Washington%20D.C.,FSR85V30N4.pdf.

[4] Ibid.

[5] Ibid.

[6] Ruth Gledhill, “Defense Chief Warns of ‘Satanic UFOs’” The Times of London, as cited in AUFORA News Update

March 1, 1997, last accessed January 25, 2013, http://www.mufon.com/MUFONNews/arch011.html

[7]Karin Laub, “Scroll Said Resembles Sea Scrolls,” Washington Post (September 27, 1999), last accessed January 28, 2013, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/19990927/aponline195514_000.htm.

[8] The Mysterious Angel Scroll, Science Ministries, last accessed February 5, 2013, http://www.starwire.com/partner/Article_Display_Page/0,,PTID4859_CHID5_CIID131000,00.html.

[9]Barry Chamish, “New ‘Angel’ Dead Sea Scroll Contains Astral Implications,” Rense, October 5, 1999, last accessed January 28, 2013, http://rense.com/politics5/astral.htm.

[10] Michael S. Heiser, The Façade (SuperiorBooks.com Inc., 2001), 211. Also verified in personal email to Cris Putnam.

About Cris Putnam
Logos Apologia is the ministry of Cris D. Putnam. The mission of Logos Apologia is to show that logic, science, history and faith are complementary, not contradictory and to bring that life-changing truth to everybody who wants to know.


  1. BT says:

    Why leave out some of the very same occultic architecture that is found in Israel?


  2. BT says:

    Whenever I hear or read about “aliens” and “UFOs”, all that comes to mind is the numerous articles I have read saying that the “elite” want to fake an “invasion” of sorts, as a kind of Grand Finale in uniting everyone against a common enemy.

    And sure, there is an agenda t make people think that “aliens seeded us” or whatever.

    Satan doesn’t really care what we believe, as long as we just don’t believe in Jesus Christ.

    UFO’s, “sun discs” = Fake signs and wonders?
    The technology certainly does exist.

    • hopeful_watcher says:

      BT said, “Grand Finale in uniting everyone against a common enemy.”

      You mean like the apocolypse against Jesus and the angel’s of God?

      • BT says:

        I’ve considered that.
        Except it won’t be much of a battle! LOL!

        2 Thessalonians 2:8
        King James Version (KJV)
        ” And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:”

        • BT says:

          I admit, when I heard that the Vatican has a telescope named L.U.C.I.F.E.R., my first thought was that they are watching for Christ’s return somehow!

          (I Wonder what they are really watching for.)

          I honestly don’t spend much time “looking up”. I do more “looking around” at the world and what’s happening here, so I don’t have many informed comments I can make on what transpires in the heavenlies.

  3. john B says:

    Will Washington DC, Vatican City and Jerusalem Host the Revealing?

    Cris; I’ll answer that question…NO!… I’ll tell you why; Because that which is ‘bourgeoning and not going away’ is a figment of Mr Marzulli’s imagination, that he has come to believe as reality..

    There is no scriptural support to show that there will be manifestations of Mile wide UFO’s over Jerusalem and the major capital cities of the world, and that such an event will supposedly be the great deception…That is a farfetched theory that many christians are now believing will eventuate… I am glad to see that you question it!

    I have read and heard plenty enough by ‘many’ on this topic of Nephelim and their association with UFO’s and I have observed the growing trend among ‘many’ flagrantly uprooting scriptures out of their ‘Divine context’ to support these increasing fables..
    The infallible Word of God should receive greater veneration from those who are fond of speculative theories..There is a difference between Reality and fascination (myths)


    john B

    • sandy says:

      I am currently reading a book by Stan Deyo called; “The Cosmic Conspiracy”. I am not finished with it yet, but so far, he seems to think that these UFO’s are man-made and we have had that technology and more since the ’50’s. He has a very mysterious background in the military and secretive ventures, so he should know what he’s talking about.

      It’s just hard for me to think that folks would fall for the “alien-savior” thing. I, by no means consider myself “the elect”, and I don’t think I would fall for it. So to me, it has to be something more “believable” or closer to the truth for it to deceive “even the elect”.

      It is interesting about the”similarities” between DC and Vatican. As I commented earlier; DC is also on & hills and was called “Rome” prior to Wash. DC. One more thing that also has my attention. One of the prophecies says that “fire would rain down on the city of 7 hills as there is a gathering from around the world.(conclave?) While that is going on in Rome, North Korea has threatened to nuke Washington DC! Interesting!


    • hopeful_watcher says:

      John, I won’t offend you by suggesting that a UFO craft (like the ones portrayed in pop culture) has any biblical basis, but I don’t understand how you can say there is no biblical accounts of supernatural things (I.e. ufos) that fly in the sky. They are all over the bible, especially the pillar of cloud moving around in fire by night and smoke by day, going out before the isrealites leading the way.

      Let’s assume for a moment that this biblical event actually happened, which of course we believe. Now picture this pillar floating through modern day Damascus reigning fire down upon enemies of God and you don’t think people wouldn’t flip out? If we believe the contents of the bible are true, than we can not remove ourselves and say such a thing couldn’t happen again in the present.

      • john B says:

        Hi Hopeful; I am not doubting that there are Supernatural Phenomenon (UFO’s) It is the teachings associated with it that I find disturbing.. One example of this; The use of Dan2:43 to suggest Alien Hybrid with DNA altering programs in the end times.. the context of Daniels interpretation of the King of Babylon’s dreams Has nothing to do with ‘demonic alien Hybrids’ , but it has every thing to do with the ‘clash of multi-culturalism affecting the Beastly end-time empire.. The scriptures cannot be broken said Jesus that to me means ‘One truth’

        Have you ever considered that alternative end-Time scenarios are not from God!……. But the way scripture Is being adapted to them thickens the smoke screens, Hiding the truth of what is real and ready to be manifested.. That is a concern that i take to heart..


        john B

        • hopeful_watcher says:

          “Have you ever considered that alternative end-Time scenarios are not from God!”

          John, on this point you are 100% correct and I can not dispute. However, there are two big players in the end times, both God and Satan. We are told much about Satan’s big plan (ie. World domination through specific men who will bring a one world government/religion) and what God’s response will be. But when the bible describes the specific actions by Satan it says stuff like, “in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie”.

          This is extremely vague and I imagine would change over the generations. I imagine if Satan got his foothold back in antiquity the saviors of the world might look like the Roman God’s and Goddesses. In Egyptian times they would look like the God’s of pharoahs time. And in a modern context they might look highly technological beings with science that can overcome modern problems of clean energy and overcome modern weapons of mass destruction.

          I am not saying that I believe this in a dogmatic way, and I think that is what bothers you the most. That this stuff is taught like gospel, which its not. But I also leave room as a possibility, which it doesn’t sound you do since you told Cris flat out ‘no’ this won’t be happening.

        • hopeful_watcher says:

          And for the record, I don’t condone those who twist bible scripture out of context and use it as proof text for speculative theories. You are absolutely correct in your fervor against that and I commend your outspokeness about it.
          ~ Scott

        • Cris Putnam says:

          John B you cannot claim to know the true meaning of Daniel 2:43 more than anyone else. The text says they will mix זְרַע zera which is the Hebrew term for seed and a genetic interpretation is certainly valid. The text implies some sort of improper genetic mingling… and we see plenty of that in biotechnology but it is also a documentwed component of the alien abduction phenomenon. The passage may or not be speaking to that but it is a valid inference. Multiculturalism lacks explanatory scope because there are millions of counter examples of successful marriages and offspring amongst believers. When you say alternative end time theories you mean alternative to your own narrow opinion and from what I’ve seen your replacement theology conspiracy theories are more fanciful and unbiblical.

          • john B says:

            Cris ; my opinions does not come into effect concerning the ‘mis appropriation’ usage of Dan2:43 by those who wish to use that scripture to support Their end-time theories about UFO’s..

            Firstly; The Statue of Daniel’s interpretation is consistent with Human civilisation From Babylon represented by the “head of gold” unto the fragmented Roman empire “Feet and toes” there is nothing to indicate that fallen angels are part of that mix.. Your own (ESV) version referrers to it as “marriage” That is what is meant by “they will combine with one another in the seed of men”……
            The fact is, that there is a multi cultural clash worldwide which the United Nations desperately wish to resolve along with The ecumenical push for religious unity…Where do you from that find fallen Angelic seed in the mix….
            To insist that Dan2:43 as Marzulli and Missler and others do, that this passage concerns itself with demonic hybridisation is the usage of a verse of scripture completely out of Its Divine context.. You may consider them correct as much as you like… But God Almighty is my witness That they are ‘distorting and manipulating’ The Word of God to support an alternative theory of their imagination about the End-time deception..

            There was no such a thing as replacement theology Until the rise of deispensationalism whose adherents invented the word… And indeed to keep thrusting this inappropriate terminology (replacement) towards all who see dispensationalism for what it is (a counter reformation Jesuit agenda) is to malign the reformers of the past.. some of whom died for the cause of elevating the Word of God above the word of man..
            I stand with them and oppose the misuse and inappropriate dissecting of the Word of God by men who speak void of Divine Authority.. Void of authority they are by the fact that they use the Holly Writ to siut their Myths and fables…….

            Blessings john B

          • Cris Putnam says:

            That is what is meant by “they will combine with one another in the seed of men”……
            The fact is, that there is a multi cultural clash worldwide which the United Nations desperately wish to resolve along with The ecumenical push for religious unity…Where do you from that find fallen Angelic seed in the mix….
            To insist that Dan2:43 as Marzulli and Missler and others do, that this passage concerns itself with demonic hybridisation…

            First, no one “insists” that is what the passage implies. I have heard Missler teach this and he merely suggests a possibility based on the KJV: “And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.”(Da 2:43) There is an implication that the “they” are not of the seed of men because the author felt the need to so qualify. This logical inference follows from the text. Since Jude and 2 Peter connect the activity of fallen angels to sexual activity with humans its a valid suggestion. But no one insists this is the only interpretation, that is your strawman. I don’t claim to know but given the state of affairs (especially biotechnology experimentation) I think some sort of hybridization not intended by God is a real possibility we should consider. You are misrepresenting Marzulli and Missler as you do dispensationalism – which served as a corrective to the Roman Catholic replacement theology that you JohnB advocate. Get this straight JohnB, your views on Israel are Rome’s view. On that issue, you are an apologist for Romanism.

          • john B says:

            Cris, If i am a Romanist then be the List of Reformers who opposed her.. You are analysing me from your dispensational training and not the Apostles doctrine.

            I am not misrepresenting anybody.. It is “The Iron and clay” that will mix with one another” That is the text! and You know that to be true Cris.
            I think that you are rubbing shoulders with the wrong crowd and it’s rubbing off on you..Your ministry is ‘LOGOS APOLOGIA’ and not THEOLOGICAL APOLOGIA.. that is one of the reasons I comment here and I do appreciate the many things that you post But it does not mean that I have to agree wit it all.. you understand I am sure..
            I have tried discussing these issues with some of these people, but They just bluntly refuse.. Why? It may mean correction for them, and that they would have to make amends, may be loose sale on their DVD’s and books that promote these doctrines.. Are we to shun correction for the sake of gain?
            I take it that the Jude verse that is implied to fallen angels which is often quoted to support ‘the coming great deception’ is Jude7
            Here again It has nothing to do with Angels having sexual relations with humans, but Men having sex with men.. That is what is referred by “gross immorality” and the lusting “after strange flesh” It is as Apostle Paul says in Rom1:26,27 If anything It was the Men of Sodom that wanted to have sexual relations with the Angels of the Lord.. so; here again is an out of context application of the text to imply something that is not true!
            It is an insult to the Spirit of truth, To even think that we can just use His inspired words (the scriptures) to promote views, opinions, speculations and theologies as Doctrine… something that is very prevalent in these end-Times.. We are to tremble at his word Isaiah66:5.


            john b

        • Joe Johnson says:

          The thing is, right now, the world is in a race to achieving transhumanism. Scientists around the world are tinkering with our DNA, with the published intention of making genetic ‘improvements’ to man’s DNA.
          This is just the published stuff, who knows what is happening in the top secret departments. The bottom line is, you have to reevaluate your interpretation of certain scriptural passages, if you that view is based on a 15th century worldview, realize that we carry some misconceptions about some things from how it was first presented to us. Obviously, doctrine transcends this; but things like: How an Angel looks, how it operates in our reality etc., those are things that we need to revisit with an open mind, because what we usually do is apply the tradition. So now, all angels must have wings, wear a flowing robe, maybe a sword; but the Bible specified those things. The angels that helped Lot, were thought to be men; and they didn’t whack the Sodomites with swords, merely blinded them.
          My point is that it is right to ‘speculate’, you have to if you want to be ready. Just be precise with what we know from scripture, and what we don’t know. The end time scenario could go down in many different ways. The Enemy doesn’t know when the end is, but it seems from scripture, that when it starts, he has a short window to do his thing. Thus, it seems likely he has many plans in place to be ready when that gate opens. If it happens tonight, he can use Islam as a global Empire/anti-christ; he could have used Hitler or Stalin as well. If it happens in the future, it will probably be some variation on a superior race of aliens angle. It wont even matter if the UFO thing is actually happening, all that is required is to make the people think it is, to have the world’s scientists declare it, for the media to concur, and a global leader to lead the way. No actual entities have to even show up, normal wicked men can pull this off from here. Having said that, Revelation mentions things about the bottomless pit being opened etc…
          Anyway, I guess well find out soon. Trust the Bible, not men, but remember that includes some mindsets that have been inherited from others.

  4. BT says:

    Seven Hills or Seven Mountains…some Bibles differ.
    Jerusalem also has seven mountains.

    …Just sayin’…;)

    • BT says:

      They like to keep us uncertain about what is to happen, that is why so many versions abound. So we run off looking in all different directions!
      Makes for no shortage of research topics!

  5. BT says:

    Lucky for me, my faith was rooted a long time ago, long before I began looking into all these things that are of interest today!

    And honestly, my faith in Jesus MIGHT have been compromised somewhere along the way, if not for all the forces being so against Him and what He taught. That is a lesson in itself.

    “The enemy of my enemy is my friend!”

  6. BT says:

    I remember reading this by Bill Cooper:

    “Can you imagine what will happen if Los Angeles is hit with a 9.0 quake, New York City is destroyed by a terrorist-planted atomic bomb, World War III breaks out in the Middle East, the banks and
    stock markets collapse, Extraterrestrials land on the White House lawn, food disappears from the markets, some people disappear, the Messiah presents himself to the world, and all in a very short
    period of time? Can you imagine? The world power structure can, and will if necessary, make some or all of these things happen to bring about the New World Order.” [“Behold A Pale Horse”., p. 177-8]

    Can you imagine the chaos if this turns out to be the plan?

    Ever see the Illuminati Card Game?

    To these guys, playing with our lives is a game to them. I wish we could round them up and put them on an island, walled off from others, and they could play their games all day! Like RISK, Monopoly, etc….

    • hopeful_watcher says:

      Well you could round them all up, but more would just come and fill their shoes. Lucifer has no shortage of people who will believe his web of lies and would join in the fight.

      Can the devil actually be that stupid to believe he can defeat God? I don’t think he is stupid or that he believes he can defeat God. I think Satan’s goal is to fill the world with so much sin that God gets sick of the world and breaks His covenant. In that way Satan inherits the earth by default.

      • BT says:

        True. They are “legion”. I was just kidding.

        I rather think since Satan knows his “time is short”, his goal would mainly be to take as many down with him when he goes.

        • john B says:

          Specifically Christians!!! they are the main targets….


          john B

          • john B says:

            I would say that when all of those who profess ‘A’ Jesus, that have been taken captive by the end-Time false doctrines that abound… Satan will once again Target those who “bear the marks of Christ” Gal6:17 with his blood thirsty Whore by his side..


            john B

          • hopeful_watcher says:

            There is something to lukewarm Christians being equally offensive to Jesus as unbelievers. I think the gospel of Jesus will be perverted (too late it already is) to allow for unrighteous doctrine to prevail. There may even be something startling that happens that throws the truth of the bible in question, at least for those with weak faiths. And if this happens, then bible gospel believing Christians (true disciples) will be in the cross hairs with all of the other religious zeolots. As john b pointed put the other day, the inquisition brings historical precedence for this.

          • hopeful_watcher says:

            There is something to lukewarm Christians being equally offensive to Jesus as unbelievers. I think the gospel of Jesus will be perverted (too late it already is) to allow for unrighteous doctrine to prevail. There may even be something startling that happens that throws the truth of the bible in question, at least for those with weak faiths. And if this happens, then bible gospel believing Christians (true disciples) will be in the cross hairs with all of the other religious zeolots. As john b pointed put the other day, the inquisition brings historical precedence for this.

  7. BT says:

    Wow, that’s neat! I love it when that happens!

    To post a link, just copy and paste the URL and submit it the same as any comment.
    (I’m not computer savvy AT ALL, so don’t feel bad!)

    • sandy says:
      • BT says:

        🙂 Now you are just as computer savvy as I am! (Which ain’t saying much, but every little bit helps, right?)

        I’ll go watch it now.

        • sandy says:

          I’m not sure what year this was. From the way she talked, the cold war was still going on so it’s been a while. Notice the list of “threats” that she names off. Russia, TERRORISM, 3rd world countries (Arab spring), ASTEROIDS, and then ……………the LAST CARD…….ET. Von Braun told her these things before 1977!; the year he died.

  8. BT says:

    I think the key word being “spin”. There’s more than one spin being put out in her speech, found here, with a link to more of it”



    “…I believe that this entire space-based weapons game is initiated right here in the United States of America. What I hope is that with this information that is being disclosed, the new administration will to do what is right. That is to transform the war game into a space game so that we use the technologies that are available not just as spin-offs of war technology, but as direct technological applications to build a cooperative space system that will benefit the entire world and that will allow us to communicate with the extraterrestrial cultures that are obviously out there.”…

    So, she is also saying that we should get along with the “extra-terrestrials”?!

  9. BT says:


    Might be the whole entire set can be seen at this link.

  10. sandy says:

    Yes, it’s sort of “suspicious”. The link I posted is one of her earliest ones. As time went on she was of the mind-set that ….yes, they did exist, but they are not a threat. It almost seems someone ‘got to her’; if you know what I mean. But in that first one, she clearly says, “It’s all lies”. She says how she went to Russia and met with a lot of people and they were not saying anything to make her think there was a threat. So she was basically saying…that was a lie, and she ends that speech saying ‘it’s all lies’. She doesn’t completely change her story, she just ads that yes they exist, but they aren’t a threat.

    Who knows. But I still think it’s interesting that, before they happen, she lists the “threats” that were to come over the next several years IN THE ORDER they would occur. Somebody knew something.

    • BT says:

      Yes, sounds like someone really wanted to tell her something. I’m glad there are people like that who dare to speak out, It’s a shame they can’t go further.

      If it isn’t for space wars of any kind, but just a whole lot of money going out under that pretext, it could just be to amplify this global grid, you know, the way they want to spy on every little thing at all times. The way they like to play “god”.

  11. sandy says:

    I’ve just got to show off my new ability. Here’s my favorite video of ALL times.


    Off to work, have a wonderful day! ~ Sandy

    • BT says:

      That was cute, Sandy!
      Here’s a camel laughing in response!
      (Ok, it was being tickled, but it’s still kinda funny!)


      You’re like a kid with a new toy,eh?
      You should have seen how happy I was when I first learned how to Copy & Paste! LOL!

    • BT says:

      Hey Sandy, seeing Mr. Ed reminded me of this joke!

      “A man sees a sign in front of a house, ‘Talking Dog for Sale’. He rings the bell and the owner takes him to the back yard where the dog is chained to a post. ‘Can you talk?’ asks the man. ‘Yep,’ says the dog. ‘I discovered this gift when I was young. I decided to help the Government, so I got in touch with the CIA. In no time they had me jetting from country to country, sitting in rooms with spies and world leaders, because no one would think a dog would be eavesdropping. I was one of their most valuable spies eight years running. The jetting around really tired me out though, I wasn’t getting any younger and I wanted to settle down. So I signed up for a job at the airport to do some undercover security work, mostly wandering near suspicious characters and listening in. I uncovered some incredible dealings and was awarded a lot of medals. Later I got a wife, had some puppies, and now I’m retired.’ The man is amazed. He asks the owner what he wants for the dog. ‘Ten dollars,’ replies the owner. ‘That’s a low price for such an amazing dog,’ says the man. ‘Why on earth are you selling him?’ The owner replies, ‘Because he’s such a huge liar.’..


  12. sandy says:

    Hi, BT,
    Great joke! I MUST have laughter in my life. “Laughter doeth the heart good; like a medicine”. Thank the Good Lord, laughter is my ONLY medicine! With all the crazy news, everyday, sometimes we take things TOO seriously. The Bible says: “The JOY of the Lord is my strength”. Anyone feeling ‘weak’ out there? Have yourself a GOOD laugh. I promise, you’ll feel better!

    Hope you’ve had a good day; I have. Tell me what’s on your radar today.

    ………And …….check this out!


    • BT says:

      That is an adorable and very creative costume! Wow!

      What’s on my radar today? Well, Talmudic Judaism, in one form or another, as usual lately..

      Also, looking more into the infiltration of the Catholic church by Freemasons, which this video sheds some light on, if it’s true.


      But actually, on my radar right now is a nap! (I’m on Pacific time.)

      ( I agree absolutely about the laughter, I don’t laugh near as much as I used to, but animals and nature always cheer me up tremendously!)

      • BT says:

        Hey, if we’re gonna get our heads cut off for our stand, we ought to make it count, right?!

        Overwhelming? You bet it is. And you can see why some sights have a way of ganging up on people or banning them for trying to discuss it.

        That’s why, even if Chris and I would disagree on any amount of things, he still has my respect for graciously allowing these conversations to continue…unlike his “friend and colleague”.

        But the thing is, as mind-numbing as it can seem sometimes, it really isn’t that complicated when ya break it down. Jesus gave us all the clues we needed, and the Talmud seems to verify all that He warned us of. (That goes for the Zohar and anything to do with the Kaballah.)

        It is from that book,(the Talmud). I believe, that lays the foundation for Satan’s kingdom on earth.
        (Communism derives from it.)

        There are plenty of honest, good Talmud-rejecting Jews. May God keep them from being deceived.
        I pray for them, and the Talmud followers as well, that they would turn from their ways before it is too late.

        “Communism: A Jewish Talmudic Concept”
        by Willie Martin

        This can be read online, but I haven’t gotten around to it yet.
        A related search will turn up more than enough convincing information.

        Like a good friend of mine always says, “The truth invites investigation!”
        It can stand up to inspection.

        • BT says:

          “sights:…should read “sites”! Duh!
          Only thing bad about this SITE is No Editing capabilities!

        • BT says:

          Sandy, I should also add,. “Way to go!” to you for daring to go down that rabbit hole in the first p[lace.

          If anything, doesn’t it prove just how successful the deception is? And how much we need His Spirit to lead us and teach us and keep us along the way? (Regarding not what others may say to discourage us!)

        • BT says:

          I’m like you, Sandy. I just want the Truth, and like you, my world was turned upside down learning how we’ve been lied to all along. On top of that, everything got ramped up knowing what is being done to our food, our air, our water,…and all on purpose to kill us off! Wow! I remember when Ignorance really did feel blissful, but I’d rather have the cold hard truth any day. At least then I can spiritually grow to deal with it.

          If it would turn out that I was wrong on this last subject I have thrown myself into, then I will move on and consider it a learning experience. But there’s no going back to where I was, and truthfully, I think this is the proverbial “end of the line”.

          I don’t think you are as alone on this subject as you feel you may be. Granted, it’s not the popular view!
          Does your husband share your enthusiasm somewhat? I hope so. It helps to have someone to bounce these things off of!

          I’ll hang around here as long as I am able, and maybe someday we could figure out a way to exchange e-mails…(Privately). I enjoy visiting with you. 🙂

          ~God bless~

  13. sandy says:
  14. sandy says:

    Was it you that got booted off the ‘real, burgeoning, and not going away’…blog? I used to participate there for a little while. The short time I was there, I remember some of them chatting about someone that got booted, and seems like it had to do with comments about Israel.

    Some of the folks were nice but most of them seem like robots. They say the same things, have the same views, toll the same line, and if you have different views, they will swarm you like hornets. I don’t judge their hearts, but if you don’t look like them, walk and talk like them, ( I probably shouldn’t say this, but here goes) kiss the same butt as them; they have no problem letting you know that you’re not welcome.

    • BT says:

      I’ll plead the fifth on that for now! LOL!

      • sandy says:

        Understood! Heheheheheheheheheheheh….

        • BT says:

          You can always give it a try!
          It’s a good practice in patience.
          See how long it takes before you get called a “troll”. LOL

        • sandy says:

          Ah, yes! “troll”. I seem to remember that word rolling off the fingertips of one of the robots, in particular! Well ain’t it a small world. Nice to finally meet you, Troll !!! hehehehehehehe

        • BT says:

          Don’t forget, …that’s “Benevolent Troll”!
          …At your service. 🙂

          (Ah, there goes my cover!)

  15. BT says:

    Well, after thinking about it, the fact that the “Powers That Be” are about infiltrating and destroying the Catholic church, I got a little more curious to see what the Catholics had to say about the antichrist. After all, we are always warned how terrible they are. Maybe there is something they want to keep us away from finding out?

    Now, I”m not apologizing for the errors or evils of Rome by any means, but just a quick read of an article like this makes me see why some people might want to discredit them. May be some truth here?


    • sandy says:

      There are many who think that A/C will be of the tribe of Dan. If you notice; Rev. 7:3-8; where it talks about the 144,000 – 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes; Dan is NOT one of the tribes mentioned. That doesn’t “prove” the A/C will be a Jew but it makes you scratch your head and ask; WHY? Tribe of Dan isn’t mentioned!

      • sandy says:

        As bad as I hate to, I’d better call it a day. I am in central time zone.
        If you want, check out this GREAT song. Listen to words.
        God Bless You, BT. We’ll talk soon!http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jeremiah+yocom&oq=jeremia&gs_l=youtube.1.6.0l10.7843.14848.0.19099.…0.0…1ac.1.9t6B2I3qJSg

      • BT says:

        Great song, great voice!

        • sandy says:

          BT, Yes, Great song. Just a reminder that He is ALWAYS there and wants to be involved in every area of our lives. We’re sooooooo ‘human’, sometimes we forget how faithful He is and always has been. This song is a great reminder.

          JohnB, I know what you mean about the statue of Daniel being ’empires’ and it’s hard to figure in a hybrid race into that scenario. Gold, silver, bronze, and iron – all empires; why would the last one NOT be. But the word ‘seed’ is used in this passage – which suggests ‘genetics’ come into play. How, we probably will just have to wait and see. But I know the point you’re making. that is that ‘some’ use that passage and others that are open season for those who want to give validity to their agenda. Hal Lindsey would bend it HIS way and Missler would also. We just have to wade through all of this and ask the Holy Spirit for His guidance.

          James, Have you been hiding from us?!!!!! LOL What is on your radar? Guess what! BT made me computer savvy! I know how to post links now! Ain’t I something?!!!!!!!!!!!! Hehehehehehehehehe

          • john B says:

            Hi sandy; Yes the word ‘seed’ is used, but the context implies that it is “the seed of men” It is the “Iron and clay” that mix and yet but “they will not adhere” The thrust of that verse is the incompatibility of the Nations represented by the “iron and clay” the final stage of the Roman empire.. We are indeed at a time of Great Perplexity of Nations Lk21:25

            I would not take this issue up for the fact that many have come to believe these teaching as the truth about ‘the coming Great deception’ Most of this teaching is attained by “straining at Gnats” Mat23:24


            john B

          • James says:

            Sandy, Is that James a reference to me? If it is I am trying to “play pretty” like my dear Mom used to say. Hopefully that quote is self explanatory..God Bless, James

          • BT says:

            I wonder if maybe it isn’t all just a great distraction, when all the antichrist power really wants is to rule with an iron fist and kill any who refuse to bow down to that power.

            Everything else could just be a “chasing after the wind”? (Not that I’m denying supernatural “signs and wonders”, but we are told they are FAKE signs and wonders. Doesn’t seem like the main event at all. Just supernatural bread and circuses maybe?)

          • john B says:

            hi BT; Distraction it is i believe.. But from whom.. surely not from those who profess Christ!

            I believe that Antichrist and his spirit is religious in context.. Apostle John said; “They (antichrists) went out form us”… 1Jn2:19 The “us” can only signify the Apostolic faith of which Apostle John was part of.

            Fake signs and wonders are also associated within the context of religion..

            This is hard for me to explain, But i’ll give it a shot and hope it all makes sense, It does to me in my spirit, but sometimes it is not easy to relay it…On the line of the so called ‘coming great deception’ If one starts to preach a Lie as truth and everyone comes to believe that lie as the truth, and then that lie manifests in the way that the preaching described that it would manifest.. It does not alter the fact that the manifestation is a fake sign and wonder.. Then the question must be asked What of those who taught it?


            john b

          • john B says:

            Continued from above….So; while the ‘supernatural bread and circuses’ is in play, The real Macoy (antichrist) rises with his iron fist behind the scene…. So; in a sense these teachers helped conceal the appearance Does that mean that they themselves have deceived?

            Just my thoughts! Deception is portrayed as the obvious………

            john B

          • BT says:

            I think I follow you, John B.

            To me, it is like a script has been written and given life by so many calling it REAL. Not to mention the “forces” giving it the extra boost…wars,treaties, manifestations of all kinds,…and it’s hard to deny of you can see it with your very own eyes!

            I’m always aware of the fact magicians are so adept at their sleight of hand while they work their tricks.

            Either way, I’m sure we’ll all be in for some surprises.

            Mainly I look at world domination as being the central thing happening right now, consolidation of powers, ramping up the level of lawlessness. Those are the real things that are on my radar at the moment, and looking to see who is pulling those strings.

        • BT says:

          I have seen something similar to that.
          The man who put together “The Noahide Deception” has a forum where he covers that topic quite well.
          You should check it out!

          You know, when it’s a crime to even so much as QUESTION something, there is something to hide, in my opinion.

          Funny how we never hear about the holocaust of the Jews killing over 60 million Christians in Russia.

        • sandy says:

          I think when the new pope is announced, DC and the Vatican will have yet one more thing in common — a black, socialist leader…..Peter Turksen

        • BT says:

          It’s Francis Bergoglio!

          South American Jesuit.

          More research fodder now!

        • BT says:

          Real name JORGE MARIO BERGOGLIO

          “As Cardinal, Bergoglio has become known for personal humility, doctrinal conservatism and a commitment to social justice….”

          Of course! Now if only that Vatican would spread some of that wealth around to actually make a difference!

          Nah,…probably not!

  16. James says:

    John B..Might you be the John B who has posted on the 5 Doves web-site about John Paul II. Interesting ..Keep Looking Up, James

  17. BT says:

    I’m sure I quoted something similar to this back a few days ago, in reply to the infiltration of the Catholic church.

    “The following information is going to be a “shock” to all Roman Catholics. In 1491 San Ignacio De Loyola was born in the Basque province of Guipuzcoa, Spain. His parents were Marranos and at the time of his birth the family was very wealthy. As a young man he became a member of the Jewish Illuminati Order in Spain. As a cover for his crypto Jewish activities, he became very active as a Roman Catholic. On May 20, 1521 Ignatius (as he was now called) was wounded in a battle, and became a semi-cripple. Unable to succeed in the military and political arena, he started a quest for holiness and eventually ended up in Paris where he studied for the priesthood. In 1539 he had moved to Rome where he founded the “Jesuit Order,” which was to become the most vile, bloody and persecuting order in the Roman Catholic Church. In 1540, the current Pope Paul III approved the order. At Loyola’s death in 1556 there were more than 1000 members in the Jesuit order, located in a number of nations.

    …Setting up the Jesuit order, Ignatius Loyola devised an elaborate spy system, so that no one in the order was safe. If there was any opposition, death would come swiftly. The Jesuit order not only became a destructive arm of the Roman Catholic Church; it also developed into a secret intelligence service. While the Popes relied more and more on the Jesuits, they were unaware that the hardcore leadership were Jewish, and that these Jews held membership in the Illuminati Order which despised and hated the Roman Catholic Church….”


    (And remember, when I refer to “Jewish”, I mean the Talmudic order.)

    • BT says:

      “Jews” which are not REALLY “Jews”….except by way of their Talmudic JUDAISM.
      Not the same as the good guy from JUDEA.

      • sandy says:

        OK – this is it. It may also answer your question, RM


      • RM says:

        the Roman link, ok………but the Peter link?

      • RM says:

        also, he was born in Argentina, and his parents were immigrants, not born in Italy

        so I think calling him Roman is drawing a long bow

      • RM says:

        Sandy, that is like saying the last pope will be male, its too obvious

        it needs to be something else to carry weight as a prophecy

        the prophecy is “Peter of Rome”, neither is this pope Roman nor has any links to the name Peter

  18. RM says:

    well i dont see Peter the Roman, do you?

    • BT says:

      That’s good to mention that again, Sandy.

      And after all the hype about the “Mayan Prophecies”, maybe they want to wear people out until they are ready to give up on ANY prophecies? (Not all people, but people who might have wanted to believe in Bible prophecies and then decided not to get their hopes up.)

      Funny he is going by “Francis the First”. Is it because he is the first “Francis”, the first Jesuit, the first in a line of a new order, or maybe a slap in the face to the prophecy about this pope being the “last” pope?

      I don’t know!

      • sandy says:

        Nostradamas had something to say about the ‘end-time’ pope. He called him the ‘black pope’. Many agree that this wasn’t referring to his skin color. So what could it be? Black pope= Jesuit?


        • BT says:

          I think the Black Pope only refers to the head of the Jesuits, which at the time is Adolfo Nicolás.

          “The Jesuits are a MILITARY organization, not a religious order. Their chief is a general of an army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is power – power in its most despotic exercise – absolute power, universal power, power to control the world by the volition of a single man [i.e., the Black Pope, the Superior General of the Jesuits]. Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms [sic] – and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses…”
          Napoleon I (i.e., Napoleon Bonaparte; 1769-1821; emperor of the French)

          Some other interesting quotes at that link also!

    • BT says:

      Tom Horn is saying in this clip that he doesn’t need to be known as “Peter” to fulfill the prophecy.

      • Mark says:

        Interesting the full name of the Saint the new Pope named himself after was Francesco di Pietro di Bernardone. The “di Pietro” was St. Francis father Pietro. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/216793/Saint-Francis-of-Assisi

        • BT says:

          I heard it might have something to do with Francis Xavier, co-founder with Ignatiu Layola, of the Jesuits.


          • BT says:

            Nice find!

            Sounds like they are all nicely on the same track, as I expected.

            “After praising the work of Popes John Paul and Benedict for Catholic-Jewish relations, Lauder said: “We are convinced that new pontiff will continue on this path, that he will speak out against all forms of anti-Semitism both within and without the Catholic Church, that he will take action against clerics who deny or belittle the Holocaust, and that he will strengthen the Vatican’s relationship with Israel.”…

  19. James says:

    Sandy, You should go and listen to Trunews today..Mark Bilitz …Blood Red Moons etc… He has been in the news for the last 7-8 years or so..God Bless, James

    • sandy says:

      Thanks James. That is interesting stuff. I have seen Blitz on “Prophecy in the News”. Trunews is one of my daily habits! I love R. Wiles. He and I sort of think alike on some things. (that’s scary for him!) I sent him an email about what I shared here on this blog about Obama going to Israel, wondering if he will ride a donkey into Jerusalem, and the “Good Friday” theory. Several times, ‘on air’; he has mentioned the ‘donkey’ thing. I know he is keeping his eyes peeled as this trip approaches, just as I am. Thanks again, James.

  20. sandy says:

    Isn’t it “convenient” ……the timing of finding this “image”. Isn’t it convenient that it is associated with St. Frances!

    • BT says:

      Yes. Kinda manufactured, in my opinion.
      Sounds like sensationalism.

      Maybe that is the idea they want people to have.

      Maybe they are trying to tell us something?

      Who knows?

  21. RM says:

    i would like to press the point

    the new pope was born in Argentina, and his parents were immigrants, not born in Italy

    so calling the new pope Roman is drawing a long bow

    the tendency with prophecy is to look for evidence to fit the desired outcome; which inevitably leads one astray

    • john B says:

      RM; You are correct; seems like clutching at straws as the Petrus Romanus hype comes crashing down!

      • john B says:

        The only interesting thing about the election of this pope is that he is a Jesuit… and the fact hat he has taken the name of St Francis a humble soul who was loved by all so I read …This causes bells to ring for me.. It is like a mix of two incompatible natures.. “Lamb and Dragon” mixture of Rev13:11 Time will tell..
        One thing for sure, Rome is not about to capitulate.


        john b

  22. Michael says:

    Has anyone watched Dewey Brutons video at danielstimeline.com Calendar dates very interesting with March 22, 2013.

    • BT says:

      Michael, I’d comment on it, but then it opens that whole can of worms about Dispensationalism that causes such disagreement . Not that I mind a good healthy, respectful debate, but I’ll pass on this one.

      I didn’t see exactly what the passage was about the date that you were referring to. Maybe you could be more specific?

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