Exo-Vaticana: Examining the Fatima “Miracle of the Sun”

I discuss the Fatima miracle of the sun in ufological terms. This connection follows logically from the fact that the sun’s movement would upset the solar system to such a degree that the earth would be flung from its normal orbit exterminating life on earth. This strongly infers a local event to Fatima.

Eyewitness Testimonies of the Event as Taken from Heavenly Lights:

Moments before, the sun had broken overhead through a dense layer of clouds that would have otherwise hidden it, allowing it to shine clearly and intensely. I turned toward that magnet that attracted every gaze, and I could see that it was similar to a disk with a distinct and lively border, luminous and lucent, but harmless.
The sun uncovered itself, and had a diverse gradation, appearing sometimes like a solar globe…enclosed by an aureole of flames, other times a metallic disk as if of silver.
In a radiant sky, the Sun could be looked at straight-on and with eyes wide open, without blinking, as if we were looking at a disk of polished glass illuminated from behind, with a rainbow of iridescence on its periphery, seeming to have a rotating movement.… And the Sun did not have the brilliance that hurt our eyes on normal days, as it was a majestic disk, magnetic, which attracted us and sort of revolved in the immense sky.…
Suddenly a luminous disk, the size of a great host, but one which could be gazed upon as one gazes at the moon, appeared, as if it stood out from the Sun, descending visibly…
I saw the Sun, seeming a dull, silver disk, but more luminous than the moon.
The Sun gave the appearance of a globe of dull silver fire, surrounded by a very dark purplish disk.
I saw a very clear, silvery blue disk, without rays…


About Cris Putnam
Logos Apologia is the ministry of Cris D. Putnam. The mission of Logos Apologia is to show that logic, science, history and faith are complementary, not contradictory and to bring that life-changing truth to everybody who wants to know.


  1. louthesaint says:

    I do not think that it was a UFO as you portray it in your video.. It was most likely some kind of orb of light which is often associated with a coming demonic presence. There are also prayer cards of mary with coloured rays emitting from her hands. these represent her graces towards her devotees.

    This is a site that promotes such demonic activity. http://www.google.com.au/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=orbs+angels&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=RvqSUYDZD6OsiAeMsIH4Cg

    Why appearances to children indeed!
    Why not appear to the Pope. Surely Mary knows the head of the church, the ‘holy father’ is much purer than any child. If you have a message for the church why not take it to the supposed successor of Peter?

    • Cris Putnam says:

      Lou, The ufo graphics in the video weren’t meant to be taken literally, if you recall, I described it as an opaque sphere. But the eyewitnesses did describe a silver disk as well.

    • Michael says:

      Expressing my view – Mary came to little children. Not men of the Church. 2 Corinthians 12:9 – Each time he said, “My grace is all you need. My power works best in weakness.” … suffer the little children to come unto me … except ye become as a child, you’ll not see the kingdom of Heaven. Etc.

      There are a multitude of verse which illumine the Almighty’s love for children. Grown men have much to overcome and are stubborn in their ruts. Children, not so much. They’re more apt to hear and understand simply with unsullied hearts. How perfect it is this event came first to the lowest, the least and these who were utterly bereft of earthly honor or support. Just as the Son of God was born in a manger, not in a Palace.

      • hopeful_watcher says:

        Children may be innocent (as in blameless) but they are far from righteous. God has never chosen a child prophet before. Who He chooses are people who are humble in spirit and puts them through a period of humbling sanctification to rid them of arrogance and pride, so that they may listen without interjecting their own agenda.

        God being strongest in our weakness is also about sanctification, ap that we might not boast or take credit. It doesn’t mean God needs a weak person to perform His will.

        Children may be free from much of the agendas adults have crafted but they still don’t fully trust in the Lord to the point He supercedes natural desires.

        • Deirdre says:

          True that! Elisha: 2 Kings 2:23 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

  2. Michael says:

    Can’t disagree with Chris. Except to say this. Whatever the Fatima event was, it demonstrated more clearly than anything I can name that the Church does not believe in Grace, Jesus or Almighty God. The dire request made by the apparition understood by the children to be Mary was that the Holy Father in collegial conference with all the bishops of the world consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    They refused. They never have, Pope after Pope. A Jesuitical reasoning behind each stalling, a Jesuitical reasoning every time the Church made motions that such consecration either was happening or happened. Up to an including “For pity’s sake, we consecrated the whole world to Mary! How much more do you want out of us!”

    That’s not what the apparition called for. It was consecrate Russia. One nation. All bishops with the Pope. And every Pope has failed to do this one thing because … quoting Fr. Malachi Martin “In that ’Third Secret’, Lucia’s words are so explicit and so verifiable — and therefore so authentic — that, were the leaders of the Leninist Party-State to know these words, they would in all probability decide to undertake certain territorial and militaristic moves against which the West could have few if any means of resisting, and the Church would be plunged into further and deeper subjugation to the Party-State.”

    In short, Church fathers feared Russia and the evil which controls Russia more than they had faith and trust in God. Whom they declare they speak for as His intercessors on Earth.

    The Fatima event if nothing else revealed how empty their faith is.

    • Why should an agent of God (presumably) care that humans incorporate specific nations? Even Israel was given to Egypt and Babylon and then taken out again through the power of God, not through the political steerings (let’s call it what it is) of a church.

      You are falling for the dichotomy crafted by Satan of good versus evil. God reigns over both good and evil alike and sets apart a third group which would be called holy and righteous. You want the church to be referees of what we lowly humans would define as good or evil, which plays right into Satan’s hands.

      • hopeful_watcher says:

        To put a finer point on the problem of focusing on good versus evil. Satan’s goal to pull people away from the salvation of God might be easier than you think. He doesn’t need to conquer the entire world with an iron fist (although I believe that will be a component of the end times). He just needs humans to lower the bar on the standards of holy righteousness, so that we believe to be Children of God when we are just worldly fleshy counterfeits. This is why Lukewarm Christians will be an offense to Jesus. We stand up and proclaim our righteousness before God all the while wearing soiled robes.

  3. louthesaint says:

    The whole Fatima Issue in relation to conversion (salvation) as I understand it, cuts against the grain of Apostolic foundation and the Gospel.
    The apparition call for a consecration to ‘her immaculate heart’ for the purpose of converting a nation(Russia)
    Biblically, the Apostles taught that conversion results on the basis of faith in Jesus Heb12:2 and that it is on a personal basis, an issue of the ‘heart’ Rom10:9

    The other thing that is a matter of concern is the ‘Secret’ issue associated with this apparition.
    Christ spoke openly to all who had the ears to hear, but not so with fatima,the secrets were only for the Pope who kept the matter concealed for decades. There is still a shadow of secrecy concerning the third Secret.

    Again I say; if the message was for the pope (his holiness) the so called ‘vicar of Christ on earth’ why not issue it directly.

    In my opinion; Having looked into many so called Marian apparitions, I conclude them to be demonic and furthermore, that this will all be part of the end-Time delusion which Apostle Paul spoke of in 2Thes2:9-11

    • Michael says:

      Last word. Don’t fall for the common temptation of language chauvinism. Because you use a word the way you use it does not mean others share the exact meaning you use. Blessings unto you. And shalom.

      • louthesaint says:

        The Word of God is the word of God. I am aware that men subject it to various methods of interpretation. However; “There is salvation in no one else; For there is no other Name (Jesus) that has been given among men, by which we must be saved” Acts4:12 This said Peter filled with the Holy Spirit Acts4:8

        Surely these words can only have one meaning as it relates to ‘one saviour’ as the mediator of our salvation.

      • Catholics want the pope (the vicar of Christ) to speak with the authority of Christ. Well even Peter, the so-called first pope, was an offense to Jesus saying he was filled with the thoughts and agendas of Satan. The first pope was fallible.

        How’s that for irony?

        I know that is a bit off the point, but it means we just need to dig into the word that much deeper and give room for The spirit to interprete, because The spirit will lead us into all truth.

        But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

  4. CayJon says:

    My oh my…..I’m very disappointed in Cris, love his work, but not on this subject. If the ever virgin Blessed Mary has the power to control the sun, she also has the power to control what surrounds it. Meaning, placing a still over the solar system for a short period of time to make a point. WE all underestimate the true power of the Holy Trinity & the Virgin Mary.

    • hopeful_watcher says:

      And you disregard scripture that Satan comes as an angel of LIGHT!! Try not to be too naive as you are busy being disappointed.

      • CayJon says:

        Quite easy to place a label, such as “naive”, when you don’t know that person at all. Seems you quote scripture alot here. Answer this: what did Jesus do 300 times a day for 40 days in the desert?

        • hopeful_watcher says:

          Did He pray to His mother (or some other saint) for intersession?

        • Cris Putnam says:

          what did Jesus do 300 times a day for 40 days in the desert?

          I don’t see this in the Gospels, so where do you get your information?

          • CayJon says:

            Cris…..That info is in the Mystical City of God. that book is second only to the bible. read it. it will astound.
            Everything in the book comes from the Holy Mother. Again, after you read the book you will realize she has the power to control what she has to.

          • hopeful_watcher says:

            Wow, can I write an autobiography declaring my powers and it will make it so.

            I am here to say, this adoration of Mary (nay worship) will be utilized to promote a very evil endtimes deception. And you have been so conditioned to believe her you will follow whatever she says, even if and WHEN it contradicts God’s word.

            I say this with compassionate sincerity. I fear for you.

    • Cris Putnam says:

      If the ever virgin Blessed Mary has the power to control the sun, she also has the power to control what surrounds it.

      She doesn’t control the sun Mary is not God. See this.

      • Peter Francis says:

        “If you have faith, even you can say to the mountain move and it will move…

        • hopeful_watcher says:

          Let us see you walk on water then? Peter did, so surely we can now, if we have faith enough.

          Faith is the catalyst, it is not egregious SOURCE of power. The source of power is God through His will. Therefore, our lives become the medium in which God’s miracles are performed.

          So, bottomline, to walk on water or to move a mountain requires two things. The Faith to do so and the power of God. Mary is not God and would require GOd’s intervention to perform miracles, just like the rest of us mere mortals.

  5. louthesaint says:

    Hello Cay Jon: It is not the truth that The blessed Mother of Jesus is the ‘ever virgin’
    There is reference in the Gospels that Jesus had brothers and sisters Mat13:55,56

    The Catholic pope teaches that These named in Mat13:55,56 are not Jesus’ blood brothers and sisters, But that they are His cousins. However; The original Greek does not indicate cousin as it is a different word used of Elizabeth the mother of John B The cousin of Mary Lk1:36
    The Greek ‘adelphos’ = ‘brother and sister’ and not cousin as in the case of Elizabeth wherein the Greek ‘sungenis’ = cousin
    Who is the Liar?
    It is amazing how far the popes will go to pervert the truth of scripture to push their ‘Babylonian’ dogmas

    The ‘ever virgin’ dogma enforces what Apostle Paul foresaw as the heretical teaching of ‘forbiddance of marriage’ 1Tim4:3
    This is the Babylonian demonic Doctrine of ‘celibacy’ forced upon men and women within the religious orders of the catholic church. It is steeped in the Clerical Pride of ‘I am holier than thou’ It is contrary to the purposes of God creating Man and woman to be joined as One.

    • Peter Francis says:

      Say what saint Louth??? The writers of the New Testament were brought up using the Aramaic equivalent of “brothers” to mean both cousins and sons of the same father—plus other relatives and even non-relatives. When they wrote in Greek, they did the same thing the translators of the Septuagint did. (The Septuagint was the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible; it was translated by Hellenistic Jews a century or two before Christ’s birth and was the version of the Bible from which most of the Old Testament quotations found in the New Testament are taken.)
      In the Septuagint the Hebrew word that includes both brothers and cousins was translated as adelphos, which in Greek usually has the narrow meaning that the English “brother” has. Unlike Hebrew or Aramaic, Greek has a separate word for cousin, anepsios, but the translators of the Septuagint used adelphos, even for true cousins.

      You might say they transliterated instead of translated, importing the Jewish idiom into the Greek Bible. They took an exact equivalent of the Hebrew word for “brother” and did not use adelphosin one place (for sons of the same parents), and anepsios in another (for cousins). This same usage was employed by the writers of the New Testament and passed into English translations of the Bible. To determine what “brethren” or “brother” or “sister” means in any one verse, we have to look at the context. When we do that, we see that insuperable problems arise if we assume that Mary had children other than Jesus.

      When the angel Gabriel appeared to Mary and told her that she would conceive a son, she asked, “How can this be since I have no relations with a man?” (Luke 1:34). From the Church’s earliest days, as the Fathers interpreted this Bible passage, Mary’s question was taken to mean that she had made a vow of lifelong virginity, even in marriage. (This was not common, but neither was it unheard of.) If she had not taken such a vow, the question would make no sense.
      Mary knew how babies are made (otherwise she wouldn’t have asked the question she did). If she had anticipated having children in the normal way and did not intend to maintain a vow of virginity, she would hardly have to ask “how” she was to have a child, since conceiving a child in the “normal” way would be expected by a newlywed wife. Her question makes sense only if there was an apparent (but not a real) conflict between keeping a vow of virginity and acceding to the angel’s request. A careful look at the New Testament shows that Mary kept her vow of virginity and never had any children other than Jesus.

      When Jesus was found in the Temple at age twelve, the context suggests that he was the only son of Mary and Joseph. There is no hint in this episode of any other children in the family (Luke 2:41–51). Jesus grew up in Nazareth, and the people of Nazareth referred to him as “the son of Mary” (Mark 6:3), not as “a son of Mary.” In fact, others in the Gospels are never referred to as Mary’s sons, not even when they are called Jesus’ “brethren.” If they were in fact her sons, this would be strange usage.

      Also, the attitude taken by the “brethren of the Lord” implies they are his elders. In ancient and, particularly, in Eastern societies (remember, Palestine is in Asia), older sons gave advice to younger, but younger seldom gave advice to older—it was considered disrespectful to do so. But we find Jesus’ “brethren” saying to him that Galilee was no place for him and that he should go to Judea so he could make a name for himself (John 7:3–4).

      Another time, they sought to restrain him for his own benefit: “And when his family heard it, they went out to seize him, for people were saying, ‘He is beside himself’” (Mark 3:21). This kind of behavior could make sense for ancient Jews only if the “brethren” were older than Jesus, but that alone eliminates them as his biological brothers, since Jesus was Mary’s “first-born” son (Luke 2:7).

      Consider what happened at the foot of the cross. When he was dying, Jesus entrusted his mother to the apostle John (John 19:26–27). The Gospels mention four of his “brethren”: James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. It is hard to imagine why Jesus would have disregarded family ties and made this provision for his mother if these four were also her sons.

      Fundamentalists insist that “brethren of the Lord” must be interpreted in the strict sense. They most commonly make two arguments based on Matthew 1:25: “[A]nd he did not know her until (Greek: heos, also translated into English as “till”) she brought forth her firstborn son.” They first argue that the natural inference from “till” is that Joseph and Mary afterward lived together as husband and wife, in the usual sense, and had several children. Otherwise, why would Jesus be called “first-born”? Doesn’t that mean there must have been at least a “second-born,” perhaps a “third-born,” and so on? But they are using a narrow, modern meaning of “until,” instead of the meaning it had when the Bible was written. In the Bible, it means only that some action did not happen up to a certain point; it does not imply that the action did happen later, which is the modern sense of the term. In fact, if the modern sense is forced on the Bible, some ridiculous meanings result.

      Consider this line: “Michal the daughter of Saul had no children till the day of her death” (2 Sam. 6:23). Are we to assume she had children after her death?

      There is also the burial of Moses. The book of Deuteronomy says that no one knew the location of his grave “until this present day” (Deut. 34:6, Knox). But we know that no one has known since that day either.

      The examples could be multiplied, but you get the idea—nothing can be proved from the use of the word “till” in Matthew 1:25. Recent translations give a better sense of the verse: “He had no relations with her at any time before she bore a son” (New American Bible); “He had not known her when she bore a son” (Knox).

      • louthesaint says:

        Hello Peter; The Apostle Paul did not Write his epistles in Aramaic did He? No; He did not!.

        He says in Gal1:19 “But I saw none of the other apostles except James ‘The Lord’s Brother’ Gk ‘adelphos’ If it was cousin that he intended to say he would have used Gk ‘sungenis’

        Whiter we agree with it or not, The New Testament is written in Greek and that is the Grammar that the Lord saw fit to render His Word unto men of all generations.

        Mary was Betroth (Engaged) to Joseph for marriage…… Why would a virgin having taken an oath of celibacy As you say! will to be married? Marriage in Jewish custom was not valid without sexual union.
        Both Joseph and Mary would have known that. You do not betroth a man with the intentions of celibacy.

        Jesus was the eldest of Brothers and sisters! What separated Him was His Divinity… He was not conceived from the seed of Men (Joseph)

  6. Joseph D'Hippolito says:

    I have little use for Fatima but I *do* have one question. Doesn’t Joshua 10:13 say that the “sun stood still” until the Israelites fully avenged themselves against their enemies? If the sun actually stood still, wouldn’t that also have disastrous consequences for the Earth and the rest of the solar system?

    • Cris Putnam says:

      Hey, good question. I don’t think you mean to put Fatima on the level of scripture do you? First, the Sun doesn’t move, the earth does. The passage in Joshua is using phenomenological language. We still speak this way today saying “sunrise” while knowing the sun is not moving. See this. Of course no matter what happened this was a miracle, it can be though of in several ways, Here is one response by Norman Geilser:

      Joshua records that God extended the daylight for a period of about a day so that Israel could defeat the Gibeonites (Josh. 10:12–14). This has raised the objection that, if the earth were to cease its rotation, the laws of physics would wreak havoc on everything on the planet’s surface including the seas. There are two ways to respond to this, both having some merit. First, the text does not demand that the earth’s rotation stop. Rather, it suggests that it slowed down as verse 13 says, the sun “did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.” This indicates that the sun still moved across the sky, speaking in terms of appearance, but did so at a slower rate. It is still possible, though, that even this slowing would upset the gravitational balance, which leads to the second response. If God could make the sun shine for an extra twenty-four hours, couldn’t He work out the details of how it was done too? This is a miracle, after all. Whatever supernatural causes God used to slow the earth, why couldn’t He also use these causes to maintain order while He did it? Any God big enough to accomplish the first part of the miracle is big enough to do the whole thing.

      Norman L. Geisler and Ronald M. Brooks, When Skeptics Ask (Wheaton, Ill.: Victor Books, 1990), 176.

      • Joseph D'Hippolito says:

        Cris, thanks so much for answering my question. At least, I have a bit of information so I can do more research on my own. I don’t put Fatima on the same level as Scripture. As someone who no longer considers himself Catholic, I *can* tell you that Catholics aren’t *required* to believe in Fatima or any other Marian apparition. So why do many do? Unfortunately, popular piety and conventional wisdom can run out of control in various churches, and responsible authorities make no effort to set the record straight.

  7. Chuck says:

    Just wondering how the deep mud, and the rain soaked 70 thousand there at Fatima that morning (the kids had to be carried to the site because of the mudd), dryed up completely over the course of the sun miricle, (just a few min.). What do you make of that?

    Fatima was a plea, a warning, from our heavenly Mother, who, like all mothers, would do anything she could to protect her children from harm. The harm being caused by.people offending Mary’s son, because he was, even then, offened greatly already, by our sins, God sent her for that reason to warn the world to stop offending our Lord. God loves us and he will send his mother to try to save us. But we all have free will, and can take the help or leave it…

    Fatima has brought me closer to Jesus. It may have saved me, and if it has helped me, it has brought many closer to God. Fatima was not from the devil.
    Just my thoughts

    • Peter Francis says:

      Thank you Chuck. It is nice to read your common sense blogs. Here are some hidden truths to contemplate which follow a very repetitive theme of foreshadowing in the Holy Bible.

      The Ark of the Covenant contained three “types” of Jesus inside: manna, Aaron’s rod, and the Ten Commandments. In Hebrew, commandment (dabar) can be translated “word.” Compare: Mary carried the fulfillment of all these types in her body. Jesus is the “true [manna] from heaven” (John 6:32), the true “High Priest” (Heb. 3:1), and “the word made flesh” (John 1:14).
      The glory cloud (Hebrew Anan) was representative of the Holy Spirit, and it “overshadowed” the Ark when Moses consecrated it in Ex. 40:32-33. The Greek word for “overshadow” found in the Septuagint is a form of episkiasei. Compare: “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God” (Luke 1:35). The Greek word for “overshadow” is episkiasei.
      David “leapt and danced” before the Ark when it was being carried into Jerusalem in procession in 2 Sam. 6:14-16. Compare: As soon as Elizabeth heard the sound of Mary’s salutation, John the Baptist “leaped for joy” in her womb (cf. Luke 1:41-44).
      After a manifestation of the power of God working through the Ark, David exclaims, “How can the Ark of the Lord come unto me?” Compare: After the revelation to Elizabeth about the true calling of Mary, who was carrying God in her womb, Elizabeth exclaims, “Why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” (Luke 1:43)
      The Ark of the Lord “remained in the house of Obededom . . . three months” in 2 Sam. 6:11. Compare: “Mary remained with [Elizabeth] for about three months” (Luke 1:56).

    • louthesaint says:

      You say; (God loves us and he will send his mother to try to save us)

      Salvation is an accomplished fact! pre-determined before the foundation of the earth Eph1:4,5
      Jesus is the saviour that mediated between God and man.
      The Apostles were personally commissioned by the Lord to preach His Gospel to all nations
      Mary had no part in it at all.
      Has God changed the Gospel that now, it is Mary that saves sinners!
      Jesus is the sole saviour of sinners
      Mary referred to God as her saviour Lk1:47
      There is only One sinless, “the Only begotten of the Father”
      And it is Him that is preached as the only Name given among men for salvation Acts4:12

      • Peter Francis says:

        Sorry saintn louth but Mary was the “Women” promised in Genesis 3:15 and isn’t it STRANGE hint hint Jesus said several times in the Gospels, “Women” Mary has brought MILLIONS to her Son Jesus via Guadalupe, Fatima etc. In Mexico they practiced human sacrifice then suddenly millions left the pagan gods and followed Jesus! By the fruits you will know them and the Our Lady Of Guadalupe miracle is very similar to the miracle of the Shroud of Turin in that it is totally miraculous. You even had the audacity to hope like the OBAMANATION that Mary had “no part in it at all” perhaps you are just soooo anti-catholic you would not accept God’s Truth even if it bit you on the ……

        • hopeful_watcher says:

          Peter, you have a spirit of discord with your subtle insults.
          I suggest you check your motives.

          It has nothing to do with being ” anti catholic” and everything to do with being pro scripture. If being a catholic puts you on the opposite side of a pro scripture Christian than I fear for you.

          You want to play fast and loose with scripture making wild speculations because Jesus called her woman and then ignore other scriptures entirely.

          This isn’t about you being sincere to God’s word, even to the point, God forbid, it makes you rethink catholic dogma. No, this is about having an agenda that promotes Mary and perverting scripture to bolster that.

          • Peter Francis says:

            The problem is Cris and the lot of you are hell bent on going against The Truth found in Holy Scripture and against Jesus’ prayer that we be one. Spewing out anti-catholic teachings without any regard for the TRUTH. You think that you know more than 2000 years of Holy Spirit inspired teachings given to the Catholic Church! And yeas this type of thing makes Jesus angry as He was with the Church leaders of His day. The Laodecean Church has arrived! So many protestants today think they know it all when in fact they are blinded by pride. Thye think they know Holy Scripture when in fact their prejudices make them pick and choose whatever fits their fancy. I have pointed out numerous scriptures that prove the Catholic Churches teachings, yet they are ignored with the question, what about scripture??? So now to continue, backing up the testimony of Scripture regarding Mary’s perpetual virginity is the testimony of the early Christian Church. Consider the controversy between Jerome and Helvidius, writing around 380. Helvidius first brought up the notion that the “brothers of the Lord” were children born to Mary and Joseph after Jesus’ birth. The great Scripture scholar Jerome at first declined to comment on Helvidius’ remarks because they were a “novel, wicked, and a daring affront to the faith of the whole world.” At length, though, Jerome’s friends convinced him to write a reply, which turned out to be his treatise called On the Perpetual Virginity of the Blessed Mary. He used not only the scriptural arguments given above, but cited earlier Christian writers, such as Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, and Justin Martyr. Helvidius was unable to come up with a reply, and his theory remained in disrepute and was unheard of until more recent times.
            So, if it is established that the “brethren of the Lord” were not Jesus’ brothers or half-brothers through Mary, who were they?
            Prior to the time of Jerome, the standard theory was that they were Jesus’ “brothers” who were sons of Joseph though not of Mary. According to this view, Joseph was a widower at the time he married Mary. He had children from his first marriage (who would be older than Jesus, explaining their attitude toward him). This is mentioned in a number of early Christian writings. One work, known as the Proto-evangelium of James (A.D. 125) records that Joseph was selected from a group of widowers to serve as the husband/protector of Mary, who was a virgin consecrated to God. When he was chosen, Joseph objected: “I have children, and I am an old man, and she is a young girl” (4:9).
            Today, the most commonly accepted view is that they were Jesus’ cousins. Of the four “brethren” who are named in the Gospels, consider, for the sake of argument, only James. Similar reasoning can be used for the other three. We know that James the younger’s mother was named Mary. Look at the descriptions of the women standing beneath the cross: “among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee” (Matt. 27:56); “There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome” (Mark 15:40).
            Then look at what John says: “But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene” (John 19:25). If we compare these parallel accounts of the scene of the crucifixion, we see that the mother of James and Joseph must be the wife of Clopas. So far, so good.
            An argument against this, though, is that James is elsewhere (Matt. 10:3) described as the son of Alphaeus, which would mean this Mary, whoever she was, was the wife of both Clopas and Alphaeus. But Alphaeus and Clopas are the same person, since the Aramaic name for Alphaeus could be rendered in Greek either as Alphaeus or as Clopas. Another possibility is that Alphaeus took a Greek name similar to his Jewish name, the way that Saul took the name Paul.
            So it’s probable that James the younger is the son of Mary and Clopas. The second-century historian Hegesippus explains that Clopas was the brother of Joseph, the foster-father of Jesus. James would thus be Joseph’s nephew and a cousin of Jesus, who was Joseph’s putative son.
            This identification of the “brethren of the Lord” as Jesus’ first cousins is open to legitimate question—they might even be relatives more distantly removed—but our inability to determine for certain their exact status strictly on the basis of the biblical evidence (or lack of it, in this case) says nothing at all about the main point, which is that the Bible demonstrates that they were not the Blessed Virgin Mary’s children.

          • hopeful_watcher says:

            All I see is a desire to give Mary authority to speak with equal weight as her son.

            Ever think that demons shutter at the name of Jesus and therefore could never impersonate Him, but Mary they can impersonate left and right. And IF that were true, then where does that leave those who wish to venerate her apparitions?

            Wouldn’t the safer thing to do and less prone to deception be to just seek the councel of Jesus through the holy spirit and refrain from all these other avenues?

  8. Peter Francis says:

    To Cris and all you anti-Catholics out there. Guess what? You are all Catholic! Like it or not! Catholic Means “Universal”, All Christians Are Part Of This Church, Even The Protestant “Separated Brothers” Jesus Prayed For, “That They May Be One” Anyone who accepts Jesus is part of the Church. You are all Catholic which means Universal Church. Although you are separated brothers and sisters, you are still part of the Catholic Church. Jesus prayed for those not of this flock in the Gospel. I do not know how anyone can read the Gospel and not listen to what Jesus says. Thou art rock(Petros Peter) and on this rock I will build my church…and to you Peter Rock Petros I give the keys to the Kingdom…Peter is buried under the Vatican, Saint Peter’s … The Catholic Church is proven the True Church that Jesus established. Take just one of the Church’s teachings…”Humanae Vitae” for example, and you can see TRUTH written all over it! If the people in the Church had listened to it the entire world would not be facing the wrath of God. No time to get into the details except to leave you with common sense. Millions of Christians are having abortions and this as well as Gay marriage is an OBAMA Nation! Abortion is merely, to these backsliding Christians, just another type of contraception when the other methods fail! There is a gravely evil mindset found here, against the Catholic Church teachings which protestants have all laughed at since the very beginning when Pope Paul VI delivered his teachings to the entire world. Abortion is NO different than the god of baal or moloch in the Bible, except for the fact that the baby is killed immediately after birth. Now they do it earlier and even just before birth and in many cases, as we are seeing in these revelations from the infamous abortion murder trial just concluded, babies are being killed even after abortions! In the god of moloch temple practices, they would put the baby into the mouth of moloch and a fire behind would burn it up, sacrifice it to the gods. God judged Israel for this severely. As Billy Graham said so poignantly, “If God does not judge America, He will have to apologize to Sodom & Gomorrah”. Personally, I have been married nearly 20 yrs and have three gifted children that have become the greatest blessings of my life. My wife and I followed the Catholic Church teachings, not using any artificial contraception, and instead avoiding the fertile times and this has greatly strengthened our marriage. To this day, after a period of abstinence, which does make the heart grow fonder, we feel like it is our honeymoon all over again. Sex is cherished and still full of wonder! The wife is seen as a great gift from God. This can only come about by following the Catholic Church teachings. Today everyone wants it now with no sacrifice and I believe many great blessings are lost due to spiritual laziness. Birthrates are falling, divorce is through the roof, as well as STDs, parent-less children are growing up and filling our prisons to capacity etc. etc. etc. Jesus commanded us to follow all his teachings! He has established the Catholic Universal Church and if Martin Luther had been patient and worked on building through prayer, an opposition to the evil men who were trying to take over the Church, as gays are doing today filling the ranks of the priesthood, history would have been much better for the Church. The devil knows a house divided cannot stand. Look at Saint Francis of Assisi. He saw the corruption in the Church, as men are corrupt, (they always bring in corruption we must fight) and he began a grass roots movement to change the Church and bring it back toward holiness. Saint Francis was no mamby pamby as the world would have us believe with garden statues and birds on the shoulder. Saint Francis was a brave bold man of faith. He even traveled to the Middle East and at risk of his life and went face to face with the muslim Saladin! So you see, if you really follow Jesus, (including John 6:1-65, to avoid John 6:66) then you would obey all His Commands and be more in Communion with the Catholic Church. Division is a work of the Devil and I am not advocating a one world religion. It is obvious that Christians should be ONE just as Jesus prayed in the Gospel over and over, because He knows all and knows that unity in the Church is so very important to overcome Satan and his evil plans. If we are following the Holy Scriptures then a one world religion is impossible and we should as Christians not avoid unity in fear of the future. A one world religion for the follower of Christ is impossible, since as followers of Jesus we could never allow the heresy of false religions to be a part of the Church. (Have no fellowship with unbelievers as we believe in Jesus, born of a virgin, crucified, died for our sins and Risen again) The one world govt. & religion will happen after the Rapture which is certain to come very soon. Maranatha Lord Yeshua!!!

    • hopeful_watcher says:

      The church (as in the body of Christ) that I belong to has Jesus as the head. Not a pope.

      Even Satan desires and will ACHIEVE a universal church, so be careful in whom you pledge allegiance to.

      • Peter Francis says:

        “The Lord said to Peter, On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven AND whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven” (Matt. 16:18–19). . . . What kind of man are you, subverting and changing what was the manifest intent of the Lord when he conferred this personally upon Peter? Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys”

    • hopeful_watcher says:

      Standing before God, declaring your righteousness, is a sure fire way to bring on humbling sanctification. Just look at Job and King David.

      What I see lacking in much of the church, all the churches, is a lack of humility.

  9. Peter Francis says:

    Saint Louth, did you forget “that a sword of sorrow will pierce your heart” concerning Mary, of which the Holy Scriptures say “For all generations will called her blessed” By the fruits,S.L. by the fruits! Test of spirits in the Bible prove you wrong, for Mary always proclaims Jesus as Her Savior, died for our sins and Jesus is Risen! Even though they try, The Gates Of Hell Will Not Prevail against the Catholic Church, Jesus has promised it.

    When we journey without the Cross, when we build without the Cross, when we profess Christ without the Cross, we are not disciples of the Lord, we are worldly: we may be bishops, priests, cardinals, popes, but not disciples of the Lord. -Pope Francis I

    Pope Pius IX used Luke 1:28 “Hail, full of grace” as evidence to define the dogma of the Immaculate Conception.
    Beginning in 1970 the majority of Catholic Bibles removed this scripture from the Bible. Pope Paul VI called it an “ecumenical” translation, one that was made with the cooperation of our separated brethern. Compare the following translations

    Douay-Rheims Luke 1:28 “Hail, full of grace the Lord is with thee”
    New Catholic American Bible Luke 1: 28 “ Rejoice oh highly favored daughter”
    King James Luke 1:28 “Hail thou that art highly favored”
    As you can see the new Catholic bibles translate this scripture according to the King James Bible. This new translation will not make the Blessed Mother happy but it does fill the Protestants with joy.

  10. Peter Francis says:

    – For all generations will call Her Blessed (Luke 1:28,48). Mary’s well known appearances pass the test of spirits (1 John 4:2-4) (2 John 4-11). Mary proclaims Jesus, God Manifest to mankind in the flesh, crucified and died for our sins, bodily resurrected and ascended into Heaven! By their fruits you will know them (Matthew 7:20). Mary has brought millions to Jesus! Fatima Portugal, Guadalupe Mexico, Lourdes France, Medjugorji, Bosnia Herzegovina etc! Also Jesus warned, “A House Divided Cannot Stand,” when they accused Him of Evil (Matthew 12:25-32) (Even Abraham Lincoln picked up on this scripture during the Civil War). It should be Abundantly Obvious that Anti-Catholic, Anti-Mary Sentiment is just plain wrong scripturally. Through two humans Adam & Eve, sin came into the world. So it is obvious that through two humans, Jesus being fully Human and fully Divine, God overcame sin. Mary did have an important role in this since she said “Fiat” to the Angel, “Let It Be Done” And thereby participated in Redemption. While Jesus brought Redemption, Mary did an “assist” and is Co-redemptrix! This ONLY means Mary had a unique participation in salvation, but has clearly never meant “goddess” since the Church knows there is an infinite difference between the Divine Jesus and Human Mary. The wedding feast at Cana (John 2:4-5) is a great indicator of the powerful intercessory ability Mary has with Jesus. Even though Jesus said to Mary, “My Hour has not come yet.” Mary still said, “Do what ever Jesus tells you.” And Jesus performed his first miracle changing water into wine!!! God created Adam and Eve without sin. So God could do this again and did when Mary was conceived just as promised in Genesis 3:15. Clearly here in Genesis, God Promises, Immediately, at the very fall of mankind into sin (sin is saying no to God), that He would create a Woman (second Eve), which will have no original sin (Puts enmity between Satan and the Woman) and that He would send Jesus (The second Adam and Savior of the World) to Conquer Sin and Death. The “Woman” is Mary. That is why Jesus refers to Mary so much as “Woman”. Even from the Cross Jesus said “Woman” (John 19:26)! Jesus could never have been born of a sinful woman. Common sense dictates this is impossible! Mary was Assumed into Heaven (Raptured), just like Enoch (Genesis 5:24) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:11). This is also very obvious to me since Mary’s Womb was the Temple of the Baby Jesus, God Manifest to Man. So naturally Mary’s Body would never see corruption. Even the Body of Moses (Jude 9) was fought for by the Archangel Michael (Apocryphal Assumption of Moses) (Deuteronomy 34:6) Moses was at the Transfiguration (Mat 17:3). There are hundreds of known saints who’s bodies are incorrupt ( see incorruptbodies.html). These bodies have not been preserved in any way, yet smell like flowers and have no rigor mortis but are soft to the touch. The scriptures say sin reaps corruption while those in Christ Jesus will reap incorruptibility. Did you know Jesus changed Simon’s name to Peter (Petros=rock) “And on this rock I will build my Church” (Mat 16:18). Did you know it is a historical, archeological scientific fact Peter is buried under St. Peter’s Basilica at the Vatican, the largest structural and membership church in the entire world. Jesus said also here in Matthew 16:13-19, “I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven”. The words of Jesus are very literal and profound with deep meaning! The teaching for confession is also profound and found in John Chapter 20. Here Jesus breaths on the Apostles, “Wwhhaaaa”, Jesus says to the Apostles, “Receive the Holy Spirit. Those Sins you Forgive, they are taken away, Remitted.” This is the first time the Holy Spirit was given to the Church, even before Pentecost! Thus the Catholic Church has the Sacrament of Confession. So that when the people confess their sins and accept Jesus’ Death upon the Cross as Payment for their Sins and Believe Jesus is Raised from the Dead, they will be Saved. The sixth chapter of the Gospel of John is equally extremely powerful. Read it! Thus we have communion, another Sacrament (realprescence.org). Is it a coincidence that a verse “666” also only appears here (John 6:66)? “Many Disciples left Jesus and no longer went with Him.” Unlike John 3:3 where Jesus explains to Nicodemus what he means by being “Born Again”, (That He does not mean a fleshly birth but a spiritual birth), there is no such clarification in the sixth chapter of John. 1 Cor 11:28-30 also backs this up! “Also the ritual of Passover is foreshadowing of this Statement. The Jews at Passover partake of the Lamb Sacrifice. Jesus came as “The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” (John 1:29-36) “Like a Lamb to the Slaughter.” (Isaiah 53:7).v Many throughout history have accused the entire church of being evil. Jesus said this verbal attack would happen much more to His Church than it did to Him (Mat 17:3). I am hard pressed to find any trace of evil in the Doctrine of my Catholic Faith. I will say this however, when the Rapture occurs, the true Christians within the Catholic Church, just like any other Denomination, will be gone, caught up to meet the Lord in the Air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). After the Rapture there could be counterfeit doctrines emanating out of Church structures, since Jesus promises explicitly to be with His Church Always and the Church is gone to Heaven after meeting up with “Christ in the Air!” Remember in World War II, Hitler had written plans to kill Pope Pius XII and replace him with his own puppet pope. So yes, after the Rapture all bets are off. Antichrist elements could possibly at that time occupy vacated structures such as the Vatican. Evil has always tried to attack the Catholic Church, but Jesus has promised in Matthew 16:18 that “The Gates of Hell will Not Prevail Against It!” An example of this evil in our modern day would be the sin of sexual abuse, which the entire church is horribly shocked and saddened by. This is the cancer of sin, which pervades all of society and will be eradicated soon when Jesus comes to Rule and Reign. Until then each member of the church must work our their own salvation in fear and trembling, for the rapture is very near and to miss it means staying here through 7 years of the most terrible judgment the world has ever experienced!

    • hopeful_watcher says:

      I hope you spend this much time and effort defending Jesus as you do defending Mary.

      I have no problem with people coming to Jesus through a love of Mary. The problem is that all focus and love must be moved to Jesus. Mary must be taken out of the picture and placed in her rightful place of a blessed disciple under the salvation of Jesus.

      The elevation of Mary will be utilized to pervert God’s word. Where is the outrage over that? Surely you must acknowledge that a holy mother would defend her son, but never at the expense of God’s word. And if age does, shall we also not judge her by her fruit and conclude something is amiss? Or is she beyond reproach?

  11. Vic says:

    Do Catholics believe that the “Beast” of Revelation was Nero, or is the “Beast” a Future Person?
    I was just curious about that, because after the countless theologians being wrong Every…Single..Time,
    on WHO the “Beast” might be, could be, or was…I’m personally exhausted, tired, and utterly numbed and have
    practically given up to the point of the possible Paradigm shift that John Of Patmos was not referring to a some
    21st Century Person, but clearly was communicating to the 7 Churches that Nero was about open a “Can O’ Whup A__” on Christians, as opposed to being cruel to the 7 Churches and having THEM ”count” the number of the Beast, a beast that would have absolutely no relevance to THEIR time.
    What specific indication in ”Revelation” points to John at Patmos that he in essence is literally talking to this,
    THIS Generation, specifically?
    ‘Sound’s almost arrogant if you ask me….”John’s talking to MY Generation specifically, he’s talking to MY Generation,
    John was talking to ME!”
    I think it’s wise to step back a moment from all this, and yes I know this about ”Mary”, but I think it’s wise to
    step back, only because theologians have been wrong about the end times, time and time again.

  12. owl says:

    Great arguments on both sides but the source of all these apparitions stinks of babylonian sorcery at its finest.

    At the end of the day all these believers get influenced towards repetitive prayers and usage of the rosary which is basic witchcraft that goes back to semiramis, considered the queen of heaven by the babylonians.

    Unless you personally know any of these visionaries, you have no clue if they play around with the occult and open doors that takes them over as channels of deceit like the “mystical city of god” more than likely is.

    Personally I’ve met two of the visionaries from medjugorje in mid 80s and their egos were already through the roof. All these areas where apparitions happen tend to be under heavy influence of the RCC. Any supernatural apparition which do happen from time to time is automatically assumed to be mary by the visionaries like was the case with the ones from medjugorje as that is all they really know. But you would be surprised how within these typically rural areas the religious also practice all sorts of witchcraft, tarot/coffee cup reading, curse/spells initiations and so on. It is an every day reality and considered socially normal. Therefore the results from these visionaries that usually have zero discernment skills tend to be un-biblical and in general deceitful mixed with some truths as is typical with satan’s trickery. Reminds me of that mary poppins song “a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down” which is how satan sells his poison.

    As far as fatima incident, interestingly 1917 was also the year when the vril society came together and started their magic. Vril was all about leveraging the occult for capturing the know-how from the spirit world which produced nuts and bolts ufos for nazis some years later. Is there a connection to fatima, perhaps if the reports are true that ufo like disk was witnessed or it is just a sun disk apparition which again goes back to babylonian roots with semiramis.

    • Peter Francis says:

      OWWWWLLLLLLL! These are the same words they used against Jesus. They said it must be from the devil or sorcery. Jesus said a house divided cannot stand. The test of spirits given in Holy Scripture make this soooo easy to prove! Millions brought to believe in Jesus, died for our sins and Risen again. Like I already said thrice, take Our Lady of Guadalupe for instance, the miracle is as amazing as the Shroud of Turin! The Fruits??? Millions leave their pagan religion which included human sacrifice and become Catholic. Soon at the Rapture you will see the Truth and if you knew the Fullness of the TRUTH now you would be ashamed of your words against God’s miracles. You need to read John 6 and avoid John 6:66 because it sounds like you have one foot in heaven and the other on a banana peel.

      • owl says:

        These apparitions are in effect dividing the house of true believers by adding confusion and taking focus away from Jesus Christ and the ONLY WAY to salvation. I am not impressed by visual miracles and the fact that millions left pagan religions to become catholic is comical since catholicism of today is quite pagan in itself. On top of it, the christ that is being promoted from the vatican is not the true biblical Christ but rather a luciferian new age version.

        You need to pay attention as the devil is in the details. That you tested the spirits i doubt it cause you were not there unless you are going to tell me that you are one of the visionaries which again i doubt.

        And there is no rapture, you are believing lies and the one slipping on banana peels. There is resurrection at the end of the tribulation if you are found worthy dead or alive at that time. The falsity of rapture expectation will destroy your faith when you need it the most during the tribulation assuming you are alive then.

        • Peter Francis says:

          OWWWWLLLL the Catholic Church & Separated Brothers in Christ will not go through the Tribulation! There is a distinct difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming. Some may disagree with me, and that is perfectly okay. Whether you and I, do or do not agree about the Rapture, it will have no effect on our salvation in Jesus Christ. However, for those who disagree, I strongly believe that rather than my being sorely disappointed, you OWWWLLLL will be pleasantly surprised!!!

          There are many differences in these two events as shown here:

          · Rapture: Jesus comes FOR His Church.

          · 2nd Coming: Jesus comes back WITH His Church.

          · Rapture: Jesus waits in the air for His Church.

          · 2nd Coming: Jesus comes to the earth.

          · Rapture: Church removed and unbelievers left behind.

          · 2nd Coming: Unbelievers removed but Tribulation saints left behind.

          · Rapture: He comes to present His bride to the Father.

          · 2nd Coming: He comes to judge and set up His kingdom.

          · Rapture: The marriage of the Lamb in Heaven follows the Rapture.

          · 2nd Coming: The marriage is followed by war on earth.

          · Rapture: It happens in the twinkling of an eye.

          · 2nd Coming: Will be a steady view of His return.

          · Rapture: Only the Church will see Him.

          · 2nd Coming: Every eye will see Him.

          · Rapture: Jesus descends with a shout.

          · 2nd Coming: No shout is mentioned.

          · Rapture: A resurrection takes place.

          · 2nd Coming: No resurrection is mentioned.

          · Rapture: It can happen at any time.

          · 2nd Coming: Can only happen at the end of the Tribulation.

          · Rapture: Angels are not sent. Jesus comes Himself.

          · 2nd Coming: Angels are sent to gather people for judgment.

          · Rapture: Earthly bodies are changed to Heavenly bodies.

          · 2nd Coming: The Church returns with Heavenly bodies.

          · Rapture: Jesus does not return on a white horse.

          · 2nd Coming: Jesus does return on a white horse.

          · Rapture: Jesus’ return is for His Church (His bride).

          · 2nd Coming: Jesus returns for redeemed Israel and Tribulation saints.

          · Rapture: It is a message of hope and comfort.

          · 2nd Coming: It is a message of judgment.

          I’m sure OWWWLLL this is not an exhaustive listing, but with it we can see that the Rapture and the Second Coming are not one and the same.

          • Peter Francis says:

            OWWWLLL the seven year period of Tribulation on earth will be a time of God’s wrath on earth like never before. He will judge the nations and through this self-same judgment bring Israel back in faith believing. “For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” (Revelation 6:17) But concerning His bride, the Church, He says, “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.” (1 Thessalonians 1:10) He promised again in Revelation 3:10, “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” (Revelation 3:10)

            Also OWWLLL, some see Revelation chapter four verse one as a clear reference to the Catholic Church & separated Brothers being raptured. On the other hand, some do not, even though they believe in the Rapture. Personally, it is very clear to me that this passage is most definitely referring to the Church being taken up to Heaven via the Rapture.

            “After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things.”

            Note that verse one begins with the word “after” and ends the same. In chapter one of Revelation we see Jesus revealed (revelation) in His glory. In chapters two and three Jesus is speaking to the church. He then transfers the Apostle John to Heaven in chapter four verse one to continue the prophecy. In chapter one, we see the eternal “I Am.” In chapters two and three, we see the present day and age of the church period. Then beginning at chapter four, verse one He immediately takes us past the church age to the future.

            OOWWWWLLLL, if I go to see a play and there are three acts to the play, I will see one act after the other, not all three at once. Neither do they overlap in any way. If I attend a concert, I will listen to one song after the other, not all at one time. Neither do they overlap in any way. Neither do the church age and the Tribulation period co-exist or overlap in any way. One follows the other. As in a play, Act 1 comes BEFORE Act 2. Act 2 comes AFTER Act 1 and BEFORE Act 3. Act 3 comes AFTER Act 2. The Apostle John is shown the church age, and then he is raptured up to Heaven to see what follows the end of the church age. To me, you just can’t get any clearer than that. After means after.

          • Peter Francis says:

            OOWWWLLL some say that the word “Rapture” is not in the Bible. That is true, and neither are the words “Bible” or “Trinity” found in the Bible, but they are just as true as the Rapture.

            The word “Rapture” is derived from the Latin translation of “caught up” in

            1 Thessalonians 4:17, “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” The Latin translation uses the word “rapturo,” and this is where the word “rapture” is derived. The Greek word is “harpazo,” and it means:

            1. To seize, carry off by force

            2. To seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly

            3. To snatch out or away

            A few other verses where “harpazo” is used are:

            Acts 8:39, “And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”

            Acts 23:10, “And when there arose a great dissension, the chief captain, fearing lest Paul should have been pulled in pieces of them, commanded the soldiers to go down, and to take him by force from among them, and to bring him into the castle.”

            2 Corinthians 12:2-4, “I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.”

            So there is no doubt that Jesus will come in the clouds and eagerly claim His bride the Church for Himself, by seizing her and snatching her away by force to Heaven at the end of the church age. The next act will be the Tribulation, AFTER the Rapture.

            The Tribulation period is a time of intense judgment by God. What groom would beat the living daylights out of his bride and then say, “Okay, now let’s go get married.” It ain’t going to happen.

            Some say that the Church has suffered persecution down through the years, so why would she not suffer during the Tribulation? The reason is quite simple. “Persecution” has come from evil men who carry out the deeds of their father, the Devil. Judgment comes from God. The Tribulation, as I have already stated, is not persecution. It is judgment. God is not going to judge those who He has already promised will be protected from His wrath to come. (See verses above.) Conclusion; the Church will not go through any part whatsoever of the Tribulation. She will be raptured (LT-rapturo), snatched up (GK-harpazo), BEFORE the Tribulation, and the Tribulation will commence AFTER the Rapture.
            OOOWWWWLLL here are some more RAPTURE verses for you: 1 Cor 15:50 Luke 21:36 Isaiah 26:19-21 Check out these two: John 14:1-3 1 Thes 4:13 😎 1413=1413 !!! Malachi 3:17 Philippians 3:20-21 Rev 3:8-10 1 Thes 1:10 Mat 21:34-36 John 11:25-26 etc. etc. etc.

          • owl says:

            So you think you are spotless in spirit and will be whisked away without facing the fire trials like all the other sinners? I doubt it because 99% of believers are hearers of the word but not doers of it, in other words hypocrites more or less. And the fact that you are under the influence of apparitions shows how easily you are swayed by satan’s trickery under normal circumstances yet alone when more extreme seductions and torments of the beast arrive on the scene to test your faith and allegiance.

            And btw, the tribulation is not 7 but 3.5 years in parallel to the timeframe of the Jesus Christ ministry two millenia ago. And noone knows when that will happen, it can start tommorow or not for another few centuries.

  13. louthesaint says:

    I say to you Peter Francis, that the catholic church is Evil.
    Murderously evil, she has The blood of what you call ‘separated brethren’ on her hands

    The same ‘Jewish Babylonian Pharisee Spirit ‘ that hated and Killed Christ also resides within the Roman Hierarchy Rev12:13

    The puffed up white robed cladded Holy father, – His Holiness The Pope

    – Bishop Of Rome And Vicar Of Jesus Christ;

    – Successor Of St. Peter, Prince Of The Apostles;

    – Supreme Pontiff Of The Universal Church;

    – Patriarch Of The West;

    – Servant Of The Servants Of God;

    – Primate Of Italy;

    – Archbishop And Metropolitan Of The Roman Province;

    – Sovereign Of Vatican City State

    – Maximus Pontifex

    “She says in her heart I sit as a Queen and I am no widow” Rev18:7

    Come out of her my people, saith the Lord

  14. Vic says:

    Wow ‘Lou’, that’s one heck of a generalization, the ”evil” Catholic Church,
    there are, and have been been many good Catholics who are charitable, and work in hospitals,
    nursing homes, go on missions, etc. to do many good works and deeds…Would you
    have gone to Mother Theresa and said that ”evil” statement right in front of her face as she was tending to
    to extreme sick and poor during the last years of her life in India?

    • hopeful_watcher says:

      Well, I believe there is an evil root that takes hold. I wouldn’t come out and say the catholic church as a whole is evil, but that it has a propensity to be be steered into evil directions, speaking specifically of the leadership. This root comes from a lack of humility and a focus on self preservation. There are a lot of God fearing people in the Catholic church who are led by the holy spirit. However, as long as they give authority to leaders who are led by the world (I.e. echumenicalism, self-preservation and corruption) And not the kingdom of heaven, they will be following a dead end. Good Catholics will have to make the same hard decision as everyone else. Give up everything for the glory of the lord or cling tightly and perish.

      Vic, here is something for You to think about. You said, “I think it’s wise to step back, only because theologians have been wrong about the end times, time and time again.”

      I would ask, have they really been wrong. Perhaps many were correct in their own time and context. Jesus defines for us a “season” and seasons are cyclical. Satan is the constant in this equation and he has been battling along all this time. So perhaps these theologians recognised the characteristics of the season, but couldn’t see past the context of their current predicament to recognise that this struggle has an ebb and flow. That its cyclical. So did the end times almost break out during Nero, during the crusades, napolean’s reign, during wwi, WWII… I would say yes in every case. But the harvest wasn’t ripe yet.

  15. louthesaint says:

    Hello Vic; Did not the Pharisee do good works Mat23:25
    It is the the puffed up clerical heart that is the abomination and not the people as such.
    The preaching of the Gospel is not about forcing people to submit to clerical authorities with the threat of death.
    Let’s get the historical facts.
    The religious spirit regardless which cloak it wears hates the Spirit of Christ.
    The religious spirit is by nature Antichrist!

  16. owl says:

    Just an FYI for those that believe in these apparitions as genuinely being mary, here is what one of the visionaries said in 1982 in medjugorje when interviewed about the first apparition that followers seem to not be aware of:

    “He was ugly, horribly ugly. You cannot imagine how ugly, he almost killed me with his gaze, I almost fainted. Then Satan went away and Our Lady came and said to me: “…renew the use of holy water, wear blessed objects and holy objects and put them in your homes.” ”

    Even with all scripture aside that prove these apparitions as mockery by lying spirits, one has to be insane to believe that genuine Mary would show herself initially as a demon to make a point and scare the children into submission. Therefore whoever does not know scripture and particularly Jesus Christ of the bible and his words is going to be easily deceived when false christs arrive on the scene spouting half truths and showing lying wonders. And never forget that even the demonic can temporarily heal you just to get you to worship it.

    • Peter Francis says:

      Speaking of religious relics, did they not pass the cloak of Peter and Paul around and people were healed? There are numerous examples of this in scripture. God uses relics but it is the faith in Jesus behind these relics that bring healing.

      • owl says:

        I was talking about some healings reported from the locations where apparitions happened. Some placebo, some from strong belief but demonic forces can also temporarily effect such, and i know some cases who have been healed to a degree yet under strain exhibit symptoms of being possessed.

      • hopeful_watcher says:

        We have yet to fully grasp just how many physical and mental afflictions we have that are inflamed or outright caused by demons.

        So if Satan wishes for someone or something to gain credibility for purposes that it will benefit deception, then they only need to say they have the power to heal. ANd when the demon leaves on its own accord, everyone will be amazed and say it is a miracle.

        • I can envision a moment when the antichrist is televised and he says come closer and place your hand on the tv, say a prayer along with him or some other interactive element that places focus on the AC.

          And when they do then mass healings will occur as demons all over the world loosen the chains that bind them. They will praise the AC and worship.

          • owl says:

            Maybe, afterall liquid crystals in all the displays can act as transcievers, as a matter of fact they already do, it is just that noone knows about it. A really good friend of mine who happens to be quite sensitive to the supernatural senses dark evil energy coming through these digital TVs almost to a degree of soul sucking.

            But I think the real mark will be some sort of mandatory digital tattoo or an implanted neural chip crystaline in nature that will provide some “gifts” in the form of conveniences perhaps even additional abilities from the ether at an eternal price of course.

    • louthesaint says:

      The Mary of Medjugorje propagates the ‘masonic’ doctrine of the ‘fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of men’.

      The Catholic Jesus of Today is an ‘ecumenical Jesus’ during the dark ages he was a butchering Jesus.

      The oneness of Jesus prayer has to do with sanctity (Separation unto Him) Jn15:9 and not the mixing of pagan Luciferian doctrines for the sake of unity and world peace. “man knoweth not the way of peace” Rom3:17

      Peter Francis expresses this ecumenism in his posts (To Cris and all you anti-Catholics out there. Guess what? You are all Catholic! Like it or not! Catholic Means “Universal”, All Christians Are Part Of This Church)

      The fact is that This popish Jesus accepts all faiths as well. It is all about the worship of the ‘ecumenical Image of the Beast’ which will soon be enforced when Gives over all lovers of the lie to the “strong delusion” 2Thes2:11

  17. Vic says:

    And THAT’S the problem….the ”soon” thing…it’s always ”soon”…we need to STOP this…it’s messing up
    dispensationalism big time.
    NOBODY KNOWS….Jesus and this ”strong delusion” whatever it is, IF the delusion is even a ”future” event could
    be in 1 year, 5 years, or 5000 years…we really need to knock it off and just have the mindset it could be anytime,
    but what chaps my behind is that there’s always this excessive urgency…At least Catholics, yes I’m talking about the GOOD holy spirit filled ones that have been alluded to here and that I have personally known and met never always focus on ‘end time’ doctrine so much…goodness gracious my dispensationist friends…Relax, concern yourself with yourself and spread the good news of the gospel and knock off and stop promoting the biggest money making niche in modern Christianity, the one’s that people flock to like Flies on dung…the ”end time” niche.
    Don’t WORRY about it or sound excessive alarms, if you know you’re saved what’s there to worry about?
    And if you spread the gospel and they don’t want to hear it, move on to someone else, life is short and you’ve done your part already.

    • louthesaint says:

      Vic; I hear what you are saying, and I am not a dispensationalist by the way. I am not of any theological persuasion.
      There are certain events that we are told to watch for. Like the days of Noah. and the days of lot. and the Great Apostasy that will reveal the son of perdition. The Gospel preached to the ends of the earth.
      the shaking of the heavens and the earth.
      I have been a believer for some 35 years and in my walk I have seen the evidence of these things gaining momentum…
      What do you think of governments legalising gay marriage and what of this tornado. What about the violence and sex on prime TV and the constant threat of world war and the famines. The world is a pit of Sin!

      Indeed no man knows the day and hour and we should always be ready However the Hour i believe is late!

    • The urgency is not for myself, but for my family and aquantences.

      I may be wrong in this, but I actually believe that Satan himself will lead many people to Jesus. But it will not be the authentic Christ, but an imposter. The struggle to fight for the “authentic” Christ is difficult and full of back biting. You can see it right here on this blog.

      • Peter Francis says:

        Certainly H.W. this has been true since moehaMAD came. The islamic jesus is like the Mormon jesus, totally anti-scriptually false! Both joe smith & moehaMAD had an angel appear to them spewing out all kinds of lies about their fake jesus. The angel’s name is MORON i and the Bible warns us specifically that even if an angel appears to you do not believe him unless you test him first. Does he proclaim Jesus died on the cross for our sins and Risen from the dead??? If not it is the spirit of antichrist.

        • hopeful_watcher says:

          Amazing!! On this we agree, and yet you can draw no connection to the fact that we on this blog are saying the same of these Marian apparitions.

          Come on… Breakthrough?

          • louthesaint says:

            Hello Hopeful; As an ex catholic I know how hard it is to breakthrough
            My parents are both devout catholics and the reason that they give for their faithful alliance to the pope over the word of God is that ‘This is the religion of my forefathers, I was born a catholic and I will die a catholic’
            Interestingly that can apply to Muslims and hindu’s and yes protestants as well.

            The reality of the matter is as Apostle Peter says. A man has to be “born again not of perishable seed,but imperishable, that is, through the living and abiding word of God” 1Pet1:23

            It is a fact that a man’s religion or his none religion is associated with his birth.
            There was no race closer to God than the Jewish people and even they individually have to be born again as Apostle Peter said. This Jesus also said to the religious Pharisee Nicodemus.
            In the end it is not about Race or Creed but “Christ in us the hope of Glory”

            I am not saying that doctrine is unimportant. I do believe that there is only one Apostolic Foundation (a body of truth) to be taught and kept by faith and that Jesus is it’s corner stone (It’s Life) and that it cannot be adapted, changed, amended, added to or taken away from. and the reality of it is that it is the simplicity, that Christ is our all sufficiency. 2Cor11:3,4

          • Peter Francis says:

            Have you thrown all logic and common sense out the window?Comparing Fatima, Lourdes Guadalupe to the joe smith encounter with angel moron??? With the moehaMAD vision of a different jesus. What happened to the Bible’s test of spirits??? This is a no brainer!!! Fatima, Lourdes and Guadalupe are 100% test approved! They pass every scriptural test. Millions turned to Jesus! Millions who used to do human sacrifices to pagan gods now believe Jesus died for their sins and rose again and is coming again!!! Remember Moses and Elijah appeared to Peter, James and John! Yeaaaaa A Breakthrough my A……..

          • hopeful_watcher says:

            Yeah, didn’t think so. Moses and Elijah appeared along side Jesus. Even demons believe in Jesus and shutter.

            Oh well. I tried. Retain the seed, because when the Whore of Babylon goes off thd rails and promotes salvation works then you’ll recognize the foolish nature of your logic and common sense.

            1 Corinthians 1:27
            But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

      • owl says:

        I hear you hopeful and remember what Jesus said

        “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn
        “ ‘a man against his father,
        a daughter against her mother,
        a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
        a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.

        If the tribulation was happening now i would be experiencing exactly what he said here cause my mother is a devout Mary worshipper, rosary prayer and has visited most apparition locations several times and my father highly praises the pope, perhaps it is because he was part of the jesuit order at one point although in lower ranks. But it is difficult to break through to them since they have always considered me the black sheep of the family just because i always saw through the bs and illusions of this world. However my father is reading the bible as of recent so perhaps he may realize on his own all the disconnects between the scripture and catholic practices.

  18. Peter Francis says:

    Yeshua (Jesus) will be here soon in the clouds. Jesus Commands us to WATCH & Saint Paul clearly says that knowers will not be caught unaware. Jesus says, “No Man Knows The Day Nor The Hour” But Right After Jesus Commands Us To Know When It Is Near, Even At The Door!!! Saint Paul says, “But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.” (1 Thes 5:1-5) Read The Seven Super Obvious Signs We Are At The End of the Age> http://www.GodofIsraelisReal.com

    • owl says:

      The fact that israel became a state is not a sign of god but earthly politics of zionism.

      Earthly zion = satan’s counterfeit = platform for a false christ = doom for true christians

      • Peter Francis says:

        OWWWWLLLL you need to read scripture and pray for wisdom much more>Learn The Parable Of The Fig Tree And ALL THE TREES>Lebanon, Jordan, Syria & Egypt !
        We read in Luke’s Gospel that Jesus also mentioned “all the trees” – just what are we to make of this? Jesus said to learn the parable of the fig tree and all the trees. We learned what is the Scriptural meaning of the fig tree, but what do “all the trees” represent?
        Ezekiel 20:46-48 contains ONE OF NUMEROUS examples of nations represented as trees. However, perhaps the most telling of all is Ezekiel 31:3-15. There Assyria is likened to a cedar of Lebanon that was greater than all the other trees (which is to say nations). “Therefore its height was exalted above all the trees of the field… and in its shadow all great nations made their home,” (Ezekiel 31:5, 6). God describes how Assyria, the cedar of Lebanon was greater than other kinds of trees though God would send another to cut it down.
        Daniel 4:10-11 and Zechariah 11:2 also offer more examples of rulers and nations represented as trees. With the background of the Old Testament, we can now turn back to the New Testament and find Jesus’ use of seed (Matthew 13:6, 40), vine branches (John 15:6) and trees (Luke 3:9; 21:29) to represent people or nations not surprising but very much in keeping with the Scriptures. Therefore, let’s look again at Luke 21:29 “Then He spoke to them a parable: ‘Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.'” The fig tree is Israel and therefore all the trees are other nations. The question then becomes which nations was He referring to?
        The answer comes from the comparison with the fig tree; it was dried and then sprouted again. Israel was dried for many years and then came back to be a nation. It would appear therefore that Jesus was referring to other nations close to Israel which would also be reborn. What is astounding to discover is that all of the countries that border Israel came back to be independent nation states around the same time as Israel. The CIA World Fact Book discusses how Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and Egypt gained their independence all between the years 1943 and 1952 – all within five years of the birth of Israel.
        Following World War I, France acquired a mandate over the northern portion of the former Ottoman Empire province of Syria. The French separated out the region of Lebanon in 1920, and granted this area independence in 1943.
        Following World War I and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, the UK received a mandate to govern much of the Middle East. Britain separated out a semi-autonomous region of Transjordan from Palestine in the early 1920s, and the area gained its independence in 1946; it adopted the name of Jordan in 1950.
        Following World War I, France acquired a mandate over the northern portion of the former Ottoman Empire province of Syria. The French administered the area as Syria until granting it independence in 1946.
        Following the completion of the Suez Canal in 1869, Egypt became an important world transportation hub, but also fell heavily into debt. Ostensibly to protect its investments, Britain seized control of Egypt’s government in 1882, but nominal allegiance to the Ottoman Empire continued until 1914. Partially independent from the UK in 1922, Egypt acquired full sovereignty with the overthrow of the British-backed monarchy in 1952, (CIA World Fact Book, emphases mine).
        These countries, like Israel, did not exist as independent countries until 1943 and after. They were simply parts of the Ottoman Empire and then parts of the British Empire or a colony of the French. Their birth around the birth of Israel strengthens the significance of 1948. BE RAPTURE READY!!!

        • Peter Francis says:

          Ridiculous statement about 1917! 1917 was significant YES! Jerusalem was occupied by the Muslim Turks from 1517-1917!!! Yes!!! Exactly 8 Jubilees or 400 years!!! This was predicted by a Jewish Rabbi in 1217 named Judah Ben Samuel. The Bible tells us that closing in on the End of the Age the Jews would be given visions & dreams – prophecy! Guess what? Rabbi Judah also told us the next jubilee Jerusalem would be a “No Man’s Land” and that is exactly what the land around Jerusalem was called by Jordon until 1967. The Jews retook Jerusalem in 1967 during the Six Day War. YES, EXACTLY 1 JUBILEE LATER!!! General Allenby took Jerusalem in 1917 with bi-planes which the Muslims had mostly never seen. The Bible tells us that men will fly as birds over the Holy City to defend it!!! (Isaiah 31:5) Wow!!! General Allenby had the pilots fly low throwing out leaflets over Jerusalem warning the muslims to flee. (The muslims had threatened to fight to the last drop of their blood) The muslims fled without a shot being fired since they picked up the leaflets and read the word “Allenby” thus hearing “Allah en Nebi” which in Arabic means “Prophet of Allah”! A tenth century Islamic poet with which they were familiar, had written, “The man who will conquer Jerusalem and redeem it from the infidel for all time to come will enter the Holy City humbly on foot, and his name is God’s prophet.” In respect for the city of his savior’s death and resurrection, Allenby dismounted his horse and walked into Jerusalem on foot. The liberation of Jerusalem took place the first day of Chanukah, the feast of dedication, in 1917. Guess what? Judah also said that the 10th jubilee would start the messianic age which brings us to 2017-18. (5777 on the Hebrew Calendar) -Take the words of Jesus who said in answer to the Apostles question, “When would He come to rule & reign?” and Jesus says that when Israel becomes a nation, that generation that sees that will not pass away before everything happens. A generation it says in psalm 90 is “70 years and then we fly away.” So take 1948 + 70 =2017-18(5777 Hebrew calendar) followed by the seven tribulation years and return of Christ!

          • Peter Francis says:

            Did you know that Suleiman The Magnificent, besides rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem, also sealed up the Eastern gate exactly as it is prophesied in the Holy Bible in Ezekiel 44:1-3 ? This is the same Eastern gate which Jesus entered on Palm Sunday on a donkey(Zech 9:9). The Jews also found in Scripture that the Eastern gate, sealed up now for nearly 500 years, will not be opened again until Messiah enters Jerusalem through this gate! The Scriptures tell us this Eastern gate will blow out as Jesus enters Jerusalem through this gate a second time in triumph, this time on a white horse, right after landing on the Mount Of Olives at His second coming!!! So the math above is really significant & fits into God’s plan even more than we could have imagined!!! (Remember the 60’s song in church??? “who is this King of Glory, How shall we call Him…lift up your voices…open the gates before Him lift up your voices…this is Holy Scripture…is it Psalms? I will look for it. The Bible says here the gates will blow up and out in the translation meaning… 😎

      • Peter Francis says:

        OOWWWWLLLL, how can you think like that??? It is pure scripture, Israel returning! The God of Israel=IS- REAL. Yes the Antichrist will take advantage of this. BUT we will be in Heaven after the Rapture and then we will return with Jesus on white horses appearing as clouds!!!! Yes Jesus said to the Sanhedrin that “You will see the Son of Man coming with the clouds of Heaven…” We are the CLOUDS! MILLIONS OF US WEARING WHITE ROBES!!! OOOWWWLLLL, there is sooo much proof in Holy Scripture! To just giving you one of hundreds of fulfilled prophecies about modern day Israel, did you know that in a Paris cafe in 1881, a group met to have a conversation, a conversation using the Hebrew language and it may have been the first modern conversation in Hebrew in some 2000 years.
        Eliezer Ben Yehuda was one of the group speaking in Hebrew and Ben Yehuda would use this conversation to launch an effort to revive the Hebrew language as a spoken language a language that would become the mother tongue of the Israeli people today.
        Ben Yehuda would during his lifetime establish an institution which would create new Hebrew words for today’s society and give the Jewish people the language of their forefathers that is a spoken language once again in our world.
        Jimmy’s Prophetic Prospective on the News
        The revival of the Hebrew language, the mother tongue of Israelis today, is evidence that Bible prophecy is being fulfilled.
        Eliezer Ben Yehuda, a European Jew in the late 1800’s who immigrated to Israel to raise his family would become the man credited with reviving the ancient Hebrew language. For almost 2000 years, Hebrew was not a spoken language with the exception of a few phrases used in religious activities. Ben Yehuda, starting with a conversation with friends in Paris, France developed a modern day usage of the language of the Jewish people for the first 2000 years of their existence.
        Modern day Hebrew is made up of Biblical Hebrew which is 80% of modern day Hebrew and 20% of new Hebrew words that have been created over the last 130 years. Ben Yehuda put together the first Hebrew dictionary for modern Hebrew and developed the way to teach the language which is called “Ulpan”. This account of how Hebrew was revived for usage today is an evidence of how Bible prophecy is being fulfilled today.
        Jeremiah, an ancient Jewish prophet wrote 2500 years ago that when the Jews would return to the land of their forefathers, Jeremiah 31:8-17, the Lord would give them back the language of their forefathers, the language they would use to bless the Lord, Jeremiah 31:23. Another Jewish prophet, Zephaniah, also predicted that the pure language of Hebrew would be revived in the last days, Zephaniah 3:9. OWWWLL!!
        Israelis speaking Hebrew today proves that Bible prophecy will be fulfilled!!!!!!!

      • Peter Francis says:

        OOOWWWWL the proof is endless that The God of Modern day Israel=Is Real!!! Did you know that Rabbi Menachem Kohen of Brooklyn discovered that the land of Israel “suffered an unprecedented, severe and inexplicable (by anything other than supernatural explanations) drought that lasted from the first century until the 20th – a period of 1,800 years coinciding with the forced dispersion of the Jews.” Research of Rabbi Kohen points us to the revelation that only after the Jews returned did the rain begin to come:
        For 1,800 years, it hardly ever rained in Israel. This was the barren land discovered by Mark Twain. So-called “Palestine” was a wasteland – nobody lived there. There was no indigenous Arab population to speak of. It only came after the Jews came back. Beginning in A.D. 70 and lasting until the early 1900s – about 660,000 days – no rain.

        Examine the rainfall data for 150 years in Israel beginning in the early 1800s and leading up to the 1960s. What you will find is astonishing – increasing rainfall almost every single year – with the heaviest rainfall coming in and around 1948 and 1967.

        Then after those many years and just as Isaiah had foretold, Israel was born in one day:

        Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion was in labor, She gave birth to her children, (Isaiah 66:8).

        On May 14, 1948 Israel (the fig tree) declared independence and then was ratified as a nation by edict of the United Nations and literally was born in one day. 1948 becomes the year by which a generation can be measured against. OOOWWWWLLLL this is why Jesus said WATCH and why the Bible tells us plainly that we believers WILL know “when it is near, even at the door!” Just as Yeshua (Jesus) COMMANDED US TO KNOW!!!!

        • owl says:

          The god of modern day israel is lord satan himself.

          ‘Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer — so I wasn’t lying — and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive.'” Harold Rosenthal

          But to really understand why that is so you have to understand how freemasonic secret societies have been working for centuries in an attempt to hijack the end time and instill a version of 1000 year talmudic rule from their version of israel. Rothschilds and other satan’s puppets from the school of british israelism have brought about the creation of the state of israel started with the balfour declaration in 1917 again by a rothschild agent. And illuminati funded scofield and his likes spun it religously to the undiscerning, wicked and foolish who are more often than not spiritually dead as a rock. Regardless its earthly politics and has nothing to do with true biblical israelites of the new testament which is spiritual in nature.

          Did the true Jesus Christ of Nazareth not say that his kingdom is not of this world and that he is going to prepare mansions for true believers in heaven? That should be your major clue that the jesus you are being sold is another, a jewish messiah and in essence just another false christ.

          Ever hear of weather engineering? You know it can be done quite easily today with modern technology just as in prior times with some voodoo occult and sold to the naive as an act of god. I hear a bunch of rabbis claim that 911 was an act of god’s judgement as well, sure with mossad/cia doing the dirty work for lord satan himself. Go to jerusalem and witness with your own eyes and spirit if that is work of the Almighty God or satan, baal and his minions. I am pretty sure you will witness sodom and gommorah in the making.

          Do you even know who or what the synagogue of satan is that Jesus referred to not once but twice in the book of revelations? Were you aware that both rabbis and the roman papacy are attempting to remove and/or spin these verses under the excuse that it does not apply to the times at hand because in reality it exposes them as jointly colluding as this synagogue in the end times? Are you aware that the modern state of israel has blackmailed the whole world with nuclear annhiliation if it does not get its way? Are you aware that blackops can induce not only lying wonders but so-called god’s judgments like fire from the sky and all sorts of other neat trickery without even leveraging the occult? Read albert pike’s demonic plan on the three world wars particularly in regards to WW3 and in correlation with dirty politics and developments since WW2 and perhaps you may realize that your beliefs have been built on sand brought about by antichrist conspirators who have all their bases covered including religious.

          Think about all that before you sink into further delusions including wishful yet false belief in the rapture business.

        • owl says:

          Something else for you to think about. Protestant kjv bible has 66 books and 66 in the occult represents perfect antichrist government. Furthermore are you aware that occultists francis bacon with his new atlantis dream and john dee influenced the original kjv from 1611 with masonic visuals embedded within it before it was removed in later versions? And luciferian freemasonry uses the kjv amongst other works and now you know why. Catholic douay-rheims bible has 73 books and there are about 80 with apocrypha. I do not know which versions you read but it is logical to conclude that if you are missing certain books you cannot see the greater picture yet alone be able to see where probable jewish fables have been inserted by the babylonian pharisees and their works under the synagogue of satan for their bidding at some point in the future.

          Study some works and commentary from early christian church fathers closest to the apostolic era from the first and second century AD prior to cannonization of the bible and you shall see.

          For some time i was under the spell that the revelation 22:19 applied to the whole bible yet it is particularly referring to the prophecy found in the book of revelations which is a book in itself and did not refer to the whole cannonized bible whose book selections were obviously influenced by political interests of the day.

          There are still some books missing even referenced from the current cannonized books of the bible. Perhaps vatican is hiding them in their libraries and we may never see them. But one thing is certain, unless you have some spiritual salt, honest seeking and help from the Holy Spirit, you will easily be led astray and into delusions by traditions and interpretations of fallen and half-blind men and i don’t care how great their intellectual bloat appears to be.

          • Cyberpriest says:

            It does not surprise me that Catholics such as Peter are also dispensationalists.. For the whole doctrine is a Jesuit formulation to bring in the so called separated brethren. seems like it’s done wonders for you Peter…

            I agree with you Owl, the whole Middle east situation is Masonic instigated and controlled, even the Arab spring and the Muslim brotherhood…. And I do believe that it’s end objective is to eradicate not the Jews but “seed of the Woman” (The commonwealth of Israel) Abrahams faithful descendants in the promised Seed Christ Jesus.

            Christians need to wake up and realize that it is us (Born again believers) which bear the ‘marks of Christ’ in this world and that we are the only obstacles to Lucifers agenda of receiving world wide worship!

          • owl says:

            The tragedy in all this is that so many innocent souls including children are getting slaughtered everyday in that part of the world under the influence of blood thirsty gods not to mention the enormous blood sacrifice and destruction when the middle east engulfs in a war that will most likely spread globally. And these masonic idiots cannot see that they are being tooled by satan on both islamic and zionist sides who will also be sacrificed by their insane lord of darkness and lies in the process.

            As far as christians waking up i doubt it will happen as most are under the spell of prosperity and rapture escape. When their comforts, false securities and expectations get shattered to the core by the realities of the externalized beast then it will be too late as the beast will already be in full momentum devouring and enslaving to extremities.

            I think the best one can do is prepare spiritually, detox as much as possible from sin, social lies of this world, attachments and addictions, pray to be found worthy and overcome the fear of persecution and physical death. And of course as Jesus said in Matthew 10:16 to be wise as serpents and in Luke 16:8 for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light, meaning to know the devices of ancient evil that most christians cannot fathom to deal with but would rather live in pretend-ville of bubbly angels, pink bunnies and i am saved cause i believe jesus loves me unconditionally.

          • hopeful_watcher says:

            Amen owl! Amen!

  19. Hada Merryweather says:

    What if, just as evolved humans during the age of exploration did as navigators of the great seas of the earth, an alien race created by the same God discovered the earth and it’s inhabitants? And what if they made close encounters with the Egyptians, the Inca, the Mayan, the Chinese, the Greeks? And what if this humane alien race shared it’s knowledge for technology with these cultures? And what if this alien race cared about these humans in a way that they wanted to become their guardians. And what if, they impregnated the young jewish girl named Mary by special means unknown to us? And what if she kept in contact with her alien contacts throughout her life and during the life of her son Jesus who was watched over all his life. It was said that Mary’s body on her death was taken to heaven by the angels, full-bodied by the angels(the Assumption- “Immaculate Mother of God, the ever-virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly ). Remember that in Moses, Elijah, and Jesus were also assumed into heaven, body and soul, but Jesus was resurrected, as Mary probably was too. Remember that Jesus was visited by Moses and Elijah during the configuration. They visit to promote peace and love on earth and cooperation among earthlings via Catholic Christians who excel at works of charity throughout the world. The miracle of the Sun may have been an alien spaceship and I don’t have a problem with that because it feels that a very special race of space alien that is loving and caregiving wants to prevent our demise, implosion of the human compassionate heart. So if there is calamity on earth, I have a feeling the Mary and Jesus and the fleet of loving alien beings are going to come to the rescue. Who knew?

    • Hada Merryweather says:

      I meant the “transfiguration”, not the configuration. Go figure….Oops!