An Alliance of Deceit… Really Barry?

At the end of my interview on Barry Chamish’s radio show, it seems Barry had planned to “ambush the Christian” but was woefully uniformed concerning the facts involved, so it backfired on him. Listen for yourself, he informed me that the Rabbi Kaduri’s spokesman said,”Rabbi Kaduri was furious at the Christians” (time mark 49:48-51). However, I quickly pointed out that Kaduri could not have been furious at the Christians because it was in a note that was not read and made public until a year after his death. Oooops! So did Kaduri’s adviser use a Ouija board Barry?

Now Barry has published this:

An Alliance of Deceit- Christian Zionists and Religious Israelis

Barry Chamish for Salem-News.com

The Christians try to convert Jews, and the Jews do not reciprocate in kind. But religious Jews, pro-settlers and settlers, are so desperate for allies in a world that has abandoned them, that they play the game.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may262013/religious-conflict-bc.php

Now Barry credits Tom horn and myself for starting the “rumor” because I mentioned it in passing in our book Petrus Romanus published in 2012 – a full five to six years after the fact. This incident is even discussed on Kaduri’s wikipedia page, so it is old news. It seems that a modest Google search would have kept him from this ill conceived leap in logic.

All in all, I am pleased that Barry quoted my argument that Messiah needed to arrive before the destruction of the temple in AD 70 according to Daniel 9. An argument that goes unanswered by Barry and all Jews who have yet to recognize their Messiah.

 

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Comments

  1. dr spunkle says:

    Ouija board. you stole my idea

  2. David Lowe says:

    Wow, I didn’t know Chamish is not a Christian. I’ve heard other authors refer to him and just thought he is a believer. Very sad that the Jews are so disillusioned and hard-hearted. Hard to believe Barry agreed to have you on his show.

    David

  3. koko says:

    Chris,
    I know you know your bible…and it’s lovely that you stick to the scriptures without bending them to fit the current Zionist theology. Christians cannot ally with Christ haters. We have nothing in common. We all have to decide which kingdom we are of. Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
    Joh 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
    The disciples except Judas knew which kingdom (Zion) they were part of. Not so today…Barry Chamish like so many others try to dupe Christians into another Gospel.

    • Cyberpriest says:

      Good comment Koko; Another Gospel with another kingdom most certainly means another Jesus as well.

      When one hears people like Chamish and what he is saying, it is no different to Theodore Herzl in his paper (the Jewish state 1896) John Haggie also says the same thing!

      The whole Zionist (Christian zionist) doctrine savours of racial bigotry in my opinion. That in itself shows it to be of a different spirit.

      • Jaz says:

        I most certainly agree with what you say about Christian Zionism being from a different spirit.
        It is a certainty that The Spirit of Christ., the ‘Holy Spirit’ of The Almighty is such a Spirit that does not lend Himself to any unification with those who deny the Messianic ministry already fulfilled unto the New Covenant by the precious Blood of Jesus.
        Neither would such who profess to walk by His Spirit acknowledge that the Zionist movement and it’s relevance for the Land be of the Holy Spirit of Christ. Nay; But that it is the Spirit of antichrist, that which worked in the ancient rabbis presently at work endeavouring their fulfilment of an earthly Kingdom as it was in the day of their visitation wherein they Crucified the King of Glory.

      • April Carter says:

        Yes, Hagee, etc, are wrong in many things. However, I hope you are not implying that it’s racist to say that Israel belongs to Jews, Jerusalem is God’s holy city, or that Jews are God’s chosen people. To call the aforementioned racist is to deny the bible.

  4. Beth says:

    Sorry to be so ignorant but I have never heard of Barry Chamish :)

    However, like many people he has no real understanding of the great commission.
    Christians do not ‘try’ to convert people. They preach the gospel, to every creature (Jew, Gentile, doesn’t matter) and the Holy Spirit convicts and calls to faith in Christ, those who are being saved.

    • louthesaint says:

      Praise the Lord that the great commission is right on agenda…
      Barry Chamish needs the veil to be removed 2Cor3:16
      Hope Cris was instrumental to that end.

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  6. louthesaint says:

    Been looking up this ‘Rabbi Kaduri’. He says that the Messiah is coming.
    Now Listen up; That is what the Jews believe in denial of the everlasting Gospel which proclaims that Messiah has come in fulfilment of the prophets.

    Many messianic Jews have taken this Rabbi on board as a prophet of God. Scripturally, The man Kaduri is a False prophet. For Messiah has already come as prophesied.
    Listen Up; There seems to be a false Jesus being spoken of here, Not the one who was crucified and raised from the dead, cause He ain’t coming as Messiah, That role has been accomplished(Finished was the cry of the Beloved from calvary’s cross) He comes again (the second Time) as Judge. (Big difference here)
    Listen up; He came as messiah (anointed saviour of His people) they rejected Him. He Gonna to come again as their Judge and not as Messiah. Yal’ll chose whom you believe now. Kaduri or the Word?

    • hopeful_watcher says:

      This is true, but consider this possibility. That someone does come and he is not the messiah, but claims to be the messiah. More than that he claims to be Jesus.

      We are told there will great mourning and nashing of teeth. How tragic will it be when messiah comes to reveal that it was Jesus all along. Even greater tragedy if they are duped a second time to finally believe in Jesus and its a fake.

      • louthesaint says:

        Yes Hopeful; the possibility of a false Messiah called Jesus is very real.

        This is what I believe Kaduri is saying , and a lot of christians are receiving it as a prophetic message from God.

        People Got to understand That “The King of Glory is coming” Mat25:31,32 and not The messiah that is coming.

        To say that the ‘Messiah is returning’ is wrong scripturally cause that part is over and done, Complete, finished, never to be repeated. Jesus “Fulfilled the Law and the Prophets” Mat5:17

        It don’t matter if the Jews still waiting for their Messiah. They wait in vain! Fact is; He already come as prophesied. God is moved on.

        God’s gracious salvation is free for all people “Today” can’t be tomorrow cause tomorrow is like you say “great mourning and nashing of teeth” when all unbelievers face the reality of that unquenchable Fire Mat13:42

        The Love of God breaks all racial barriers and so shall be His judgment.
        No man alive today more blessed than any other. anyone saying that a Jew or a King or a white man is better than the poor beggar is a liar. All going to hell same way as the other cause when Jesus comes Grace is over and Judgment begin. Got to believe “Today” Heb3:15 seem to me a lot of folk “provoking the Lord” unto their Doom.

  7. Ari Goldberg says:

    It seems to me that the phrase in Petrus Romanus, “That message named Yeshua as the Messiah” is a bit of a leap. A Hebrew sentence where the first letter of each word spells Yehoshua, is hardly the same as claiming that Yeshua is the Messiah. Yehoshua is Hebrew for Joshua, a very common Hebrew name. It’s not clear to me that based on this, or on his claim to have met the future Messiah, whom he did not name, that he believed the Yeshua is the Messiah. So Barry might have a point, that Rabbi Kaduri may be considered by Chris and Tom to be a Messianic Jew, when he may not be. If he were, would his friend Meiri have said “rubbish” at the thought?

  8. Leonard F says:

    I can’t find the show in question, the short cut provided leads to an interview with Doug Woodward. Please check the short cut.
    Best to you and yours.

  9. Ari Goldberg says:

    Give it a rest! You’re starting to slander Barry just so you can prove you’re right. I have listened to hundreds of hours of Barry’s programs, and Barry has never “ambushed” a Christian. He has had many Christian guests, such as Dr. Stan Monteith, Dr. Dennis Cuddy, Doug Woodward, Eric Jon Phelps, yourself, Joel Skousen & Jack Monnett (Mormons, but to a Jew a type of Christian), and many others. He may have a prickly personality at times, but he does not play games with people, or ambush them. He is nothing if not genuine. His comments about Christian proseletizing are driven by his predetermined beliefs about Christians, right or wrong, and his pride in his Jewishness. It’s similar to being proud of one’s city, or state, or sports team, or family history, etc. It’s human nature. For the sake of my point, I will grant that you are right about everything – Jesus, Daniel 9 interpretation, Rabbi Kaduri, etc. But most Jews disagree, and they have their reasons, right or wrong. Waging a tit-for-tat sparring match with them is not conducive to encouraging Jews to explore the subject of whether Jesus is the Messiah.

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