Petrus Romanus Arrives on 3/13/2013 at 20:13 Hours!

By Cris Putnam
3/13/2013 at 20:13 hrs

3/13/2013 at 20:13 hrs

According to the prophecy of St. Malachy,  Petrus Romanus has arrived.  Pope Francis I, formerly known as Jorge Mario Bergoglio, was the son of an Italian railroad worker from Turin, Italy. While those of shallow vision will be quick to point out “his name is not Peter,” prophecy is often fulfilled enigmatically in a manner not entirely clear until it is resolved. For example, who could have known that “labor of the sun” John Paul II would be buried during eclipse until his papacy had ended? We have stated from the beginning that the title “Peter the Roman” was likely symbolic. All popes claim apostolic succession from Peter and for this reason it is called the Petrine office. For instance, Tom Horn stated in a recent interview for World Net Daily:

Regardless, Horn said he’s always maintained that it doesn’t take someone whose Christian name is Peter to fulfill the prophecy. “In fact, if any Italian is elected, that would be a fairly transparent fulfillment,” he said. Moreover, he argued, “in a very general sense, every pope could be regarded as ‘Peter the Roman,’ and in that sense, this could be the last one.”[1]

Rome was an empire and a city so his Italian ancestry arguably meets the Roman aspect albeit in an oblique way. Interestingly, Rene Thibaut, the Jesuit who wrote in 1950 that the papacy would be abdicated in 2012, rejected the possibility of a pope named Peter and wrote that the name symbolized the totality of the papacy:

 There is only one Peter, the first of the Roman pontiffs, and he was seen in his many successors. He still to serve in the final as in the first persecution. We believe Petrus Romanus represents all the Roman Pontiffs from St. Peter to the recipient Gloria Olivae.[2]

In Thibaut’s reckoning all the ambitions and pretensions of the papal dynasty are now encompassed in one man. Paramount is the fact that he is the first ever Jesuit pope. This has great prophetic significance as the Jesuit order was formed to specifically to combat the protestant reformation and assert papal supremacy over the entire world. According to a historian, “The Jesuits were the soldiers of the pope: they knew no law but the will of their general, no mode of worship but the pope’s dictate no church but themselves.” [3] Because of this, the Jesuit order was suppressed and disbanded for its pernicious skullduggery by Pope Clement XIV in 1773 and by the mid-eighteenth century, the Jesuits had earned a bad reputation in Europe for political maneuvering and economic exploitation bar none. Interestingly, Pope Benedict XVI addressed the Jesuit order in 2008 encouraging them reinvigorate the fourth vow. He said,

For this very reason I have invited you and also invite you today to reflect in order to rediscover the fullest meaning of your characteristic “fourth vow” of obedience to the Successor of Peter, …[4]

The fourth vow of obedience to the pope is one of “absolute subservience to the pope; to do whatever he enjoined, and go on any service he wished, and into any quarter of the globe.”[5] A few ex-Jesuits have called this a blood oath involving pagan rites which were laid bare in the suppressed document “Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction” which was recorded in records of the U.S. Congress. According to this document, they are indoctrinated into the principle of IUSTUM, NECAR, REGES, IMPIOUS:

When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colours, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the word INRI, and below them the words IUSTUM NECAR REGES IMPIUS. The meaning of which is: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers.[6]

While modernists surely prefer more subtle methods,  we address the Jesuit’s who make up the Vatican Observatory Research Group in some detail in our new book Exo-Vaticana and offer some surprising revelations as to what might entice the entire world to unite under the new pontiff.  Even so, other researchers document an ongoing militaristic campaign:

Today the Jesuit Order has about 19.000 members. Of the about 13.500 priest members, some have taken the 4th vow secret oath in which killing a ‘heretic’ is not considered a crime. The ranks of Jesuits are thinning; From 36,000 members at the order’s zenith in the mid-1960′s, to 26,000 in 1983, to 23,000 in 1995 [10]. The Jesuits are geographically organized by 91 provinces (61?), which each belong to one of 10 assistancies around the world.

The Military Order of Malta has about 12.500 members (excluding volunteers), and Opus Dei has about 26,000 celibate members (excluding volunteers).

The Vatican-Jesuit-Masonic crusades, up to our present time, show their criminal “full-spectrum dominance” doctrine is effectuated all over the world by:

War, genocide and depopulation (recent examples: Canadian natives genocide between 1880-1984, the “Vatican managed Serbian genocide during WWII” with an ongoing US court case, and the ongoing Shia Muslim genocide in Iraq with over 1.217.892 deaths)

Political subversions

Economic slavery

Poor quality nutrition, healthcare and housing

Government propaganda (via education, media, science, and religion)

Suppression of sovereignty, consciousness and spirituality. [7]

In Petrus Romanus we stated our belief that the name “Peter the Roman” implies this pope “will reaffirm the authority of the Roman Pontiff over the Church” and “will emphasize the supremacy of the Roman Catholic Faith and the Roman Catholic Church above all other religions and denominations, and its authority over all Christians and all peoples of the world.”[8] This seems in line with the Jesuit agenda. Still more, Catholic mystic Ronald L. Conte Jr., who predicted in 2002 that the successor to John Paul II would choose the name Benedict XVI, commented on 3-13-13:

I never expected Peter the Roman to be Italian or Roman or to have the first name Peter, or to take the papal name “Peter”. So these points do not imply that Pope Francis is not Peter the Roman. The prophetic phrases of St. Malachy describe the Pontificate of each Pope, not his name.[9]

According to Conte, “During the reign of Pope Peter the Roman, the great apostasy begins” and this pope will mark “the first part of the tribulation, during our generation.”[10]

The media and Catholic faithful have been celebrating his choice of the papal name Francis, which is a first, and most folks assume it is inspired by St. Francis of Assisi. Interestingly, in Petrus Romanus we wrote of an apocalyptic prophecy given by the alleged namesake:

Even Saint Francis of Assisi—one of the most venerated religious figures in history—gathered his devotees shortly before his death and prophesied that:  “At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death… Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it…for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.”[11]

Was there something uncannonical about the election of Pope Francis I?  It seems arguable.  For starters, Pope Benedict XVI simply retiring makes for an unprecedented situation. Next, the fifteen day rule between the vacancy of the office and the start of the conclave was circumvented in order to speed up the process.  The two living popes situation alone supports a charge of one “not canonically elected” but more mysteriously, there seems to be something fishy going on with his heraldry. According to one expert, “As can be seen on the coat of arms, he was not a bishop, despite being cardinal.”[12] This was Cardinal Bergoglio’s coat of arms as of 2010:

As displayed in 2010

As displayed in 2010

See: http://heraldicaargentina.blogspot.com/2010/06/heraldica-eclesiastica-en-la-argentina.html

It uses the Jesuit Solar deity symbol, The Jesuits maintian that IHS stands for first three letters of the Greek name of Jesus, iota-eta-sigma but if so the name is Ἰησοῦς so why not use the Greek letters Ι Η Σ ? Alternately, while it seems fanciful, some occult researchers claim it really means: Isis, Horace, Set:

Jesuit sun symbol

Yet by Roman Catholic heraldic standards all bishops are required to include the archiepiscopal cross as well.

archiepiscopal cross

However, even though his coat of arms (dated 2001) lacked the required cross, we know that he was in fact a bishop prior to 2001. Bergoglio was named Auxiliary Bishop of Buenos Aires in 1992 and was ordained on 27 June 1992 as Titular Bishop of Auca.[13] This is extremely odd and has prompted heraldic specialists to assert ineptitude on the part of its designer.[14] It suggests something is amiss. Could the strange rule bending circumstances surrounding Pope Benedict XVI’s retirement suggest he is the uncannonical pope that St. Francis prophesied?  (it looks the this malformed coat of arms has been quickly revised, so copy those images for safekeeping).

Wikipedia now has a corrected version:

Corrected Coat of Arms 2013

Corrected Coat of Arms 2013

Apocalyptic Franciscan prophecies and heraldic guffaws aside, many have overlooked another Catholic Saint he could have drawn the papal name from: St. Francis Xavier, a fellow Jesuit infamous for inspiring the Goa inquisition. This extended the European inquisition to the Indian state of Goa and the Portuguese empire in Asia, a repugnant affair in which some 16,202 persons were brought to trial resulting in untold numbers of executions by burning at the stake amongst lesser tortures.[15]

While we don’t normally put a lot of stock in numerology, the great biblical scholar and Anglican theologian E.W. Bullinger wrote an exhaustive treatise in the 19th century which has yielded some interesting connections to the new Pontiff. The numbers surrounding Pope Francis’ election keep coming up thirteen. White smoke at 7:06 PM which in numerology 7 + 6 = 13 and he is 76 years old 7 + 6 = 13 and then he was elected on the calendar date 3/13/13  which sports two 13s of its own but in numerology 3/13/2013 also yields 3+1+3+2+0+1+3=13 and he was announced at precisely 8:13 PM Vatican time or in military and European time 20:13 making for 3/13/2013 at 20:13. According to Bullinger:

As to the significance of thirteen, all are aware that it has come down to us as a number of ill-omen. Many superstitions cluster around it, and various explanations are current concerning them.

Unfortunately, those who go backwards to find a reason seldom go back far enough. The popular explanations do not, so far as we are aware, go further back than the Apostles. But we must go back to the first occurrence of the number thirteen in order to discover the key to its significance. It occurs first in Genesis 14:4, where we read “Twelve years they served Chedorlaomer, and the thirteenth year they REBELLED.”

Hence every occurrence of the number thirteen, and likewise of every multiple of it, stamps that with which it stands in connection with rebellion, apostasy, defection, corruption, disintegration, revolution, or some kindred idea.[16]

This ill omen suggests the “many tribulations” of the Malachy prophecy could coincide with the apostasy of 2 Thes. 2:3 but Bullinger goes on to cite an exhaustive list of thirteens and factors of thirteen including examples like:

Satan, in Hebrew = 364 (13 x 28)   שָׂטָן

Satan, in Greek = 2197 (133) “That old serpent, even Satan” (ὁ ὄφις ὁ ἀρχαῖος… καὶ ὁ Σατανᾶς)  2756 (13 x 212)

“According to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air” = 9178181 (13 x 706)

“The power of the air” = 2600 (13 x 200) [17]

While we could go on and on (Bullinger does) with a long list of similar demonic thirteens, one verse in particular is pertinent:

Revelation 13:11, The whole verse = 6318 (13x486)

θηρίον (theerion), beast = 247 (13x19)

ἅλλο θηρίον (hallo theerion), another beast = 378 (9×42)

“He had two horns” = 1521 (132x9)

“And he had two horns like a lamb” = 2704 (132x16) [18]

“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.” (Revelation 13:11, AV)

Do all of these thirteens add up to a coincidence? That’s up to you decide. But the biblical prophecy alone points toward the papacy. Indeed this second beast is predicted to be viewed “like a lamb” and the accolades expressed on 3/13/2013 at 20:13 support that perception. This probably seems mean spirited to some but as protestants we feel well within our rights to assert that all claimants to Vicar “instead ”of Christ as false prophets.[19]  However, if the predictions of St. Francis of Assisi and St. Malachy are truly at their culmination, then the second beast, the one from the earth, who is called the “false prophet” (Rev. 16:13; 19:20; 20:10) or Petrus Romanus who will lead the world to worship the dragon, has arrived in Pope Francis but I am not a prophet… only time will tell.

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[2] [2] René Thibaut, La Mystérieuse Prophétie des Papes (Paris: J. Vrin, 1951),25.

[3] W.C. Brownlee, Secret instructions of the Jesuits (1857) 7. http://archive.org/stream/instructiosecret00browrich#page/7/

[5]W.C. Brownlee, Secret instructions of the Jesuits (1857), 6 http://archive.org/stream/instructiosecret00browrich#page/6/

[6] Journals of the 62nd Congress, 3rd Session, of the United States Congressional Record (House Calendar No. 397, Report No. 1523, 15 February, 1913, pp. 3215-3216) text available http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=jesuit

 

[8] Petrus Romanus, 437-438.

[10] Ibid.

[15] Salomon, H. P. and Sassoon, I. S. D., in Saraiva, Antonio Jose. The Marrano Factory. The Portuguese Inquisition and Its New Christians, 1536–1765 (Brill, 2001), pp. 345–7. Also see: http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/14inter1.htm

[16]Ethelbert W. Bullinger, Number in Scripture (Pleasant Places Press, 2004; 2004), 208.

[17] Bullinger, Number in Scripture, 219.

[18] Bullinger, Number in Scripture, 225.

[19] This authoritatively explains why all Popes are false prophets: John MacArthur, “The Pope and the Papacy,” http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-291/the-pope-and-the-papacy

 

About Cris Putnam
Logos Apologia is the ministry of Cris D. Putnam. The mission of Logos Apologia is to show that logic, science, history and faith are complementary, not contradictory and to bring that life-changing truth to everybody who wants to know.

Comments

  1. Rev. A. Edward Moch D.D. says:

    It needs to be noted that on January 20? 2001, then Pontiff, Pope John Paul II elevated 37 Bishops to Cardinal status. One of these Bishops that was raised to Cardinal Status was a Jesuit named, Jorge Mario Bergoglio… The future “Pope Francis I”. If what is said is true about The Jesuit Order having specific “Special Orders of The 4th. Vow” their razing of their status…
    “When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into a Chapel of The Convent of The Order (Jesuit) where there are only “Three Others” present. The Principal or Supervisor standing in front of The Altar. On ether side stands “a monk (2)”… one of whom holds a banner of Yellow and White (The Colors of The Papesy) and the other holds a Black banner with a Dagger & Red Cross above the Skull and Bones with the words INRI, and below IUSTUM IVECAR REGUS IMPIUS”.
    Of the 37 Bishops that was raised that day… another Jesuit, Avery Dulles was raised to the status of Cardinal. It might be noted that Cardinal Dulles was The Son of Former U.S. Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles and Nephew of Former CIA Director, Allan Dulles. Though Cardinal Dulles passed away around 2008, the connection with “The Jesuit Order” is also noted by way of his faculty resident at The Jesuit run College, Fordham University in The Bronx New York.
    It is also noted that Cardinal Avery Dulles is a distant cousin to one of “The Two Young Boys” that saw “The Christ” in 1962 (see: The Bronx Apparition of 1962 and The Miracles of Divine Mercy”)
    Another note… At present, there is an individual and Fordham graduate, name “John Brennan”, who is a candidate to become “Director of The Central Intelligence Agency”. If approved… he would be “The Second Director” that graduated from Fordham University… the other being, CIA Director, William “Little Bill” Casey.
    Question: Like back in the days of “The Cold War”… If The Roman Catholic Church is in trouble again… could the recalling of “The Jesuit Order” back to 4th. Vow Duty, a Papal Order to Protect The Church from internal and/or future threat(s) that are presently influencing and/or festering The Vatican and The Roman Catholic Church and that The Prophesy of “Peter The Roman” may have a two edge meaning?
    Look deeper to this unfolding mystery. :)

    • James says:

      Pastor, Enjoyed that post. Adds a little bit more. Have you also read or heard over the last few weeks that John Brennan secretly converted to Islam? If true that fits a RCC and Muslim connection. God Bless, James

      • Rev. A. Edward Moch D.D. says:

        Hello James… Hmmm, that’s very interesting about John Brennan’s convertion? There is a Muslim Prophesy that near The End of Days, an individual known as
        “The Mahaadi” or someone like that would return to The Muslim Faithful? Like a Muslim Massiah, This so called “Mahaadi” is suppose to help restore The proper direction of Muslim Faith etc? If I might speculate… It would be very interesting if U.S. President Barrak Obama was, proclaims, or is symbolically a personification of the returning “Mahaadi”?
        If Barrack Obama turns out to be so… then it’s gonna open up a can of worms that will effect All Faiths and Phophesies. On the otherhand, If he is a False Messiah … then time will tell what the bigger picture will be within the next week or so?

    • PetrusRomanus says:

      eads Peter Romanus is none other than Peter himself. He is the alpha and omega. on all began on everything even.

      • James says:

        I am a little slow. Could you please spell that out for me?

        • Peter Roman says:

          Saint Malachy’s prediction of the last pope fits in several ways(Francis I father is Italian and Francis of Assisi’s full name is Pietro Franchesco hence Peter the Roman) The Pope is in a sense Peter since he is taking on his responsibility and is also the Bishop of Rome in being Pope. (Oh and Nostradamus was also correct since Francis I is a Jesuit and thus the “Black Pope”-the top Jesuit has always been called this since they yield much power). Didn’t a bird land on the smoke stack above the Sistine Chapel just before the announcement of a new Pope? A bird is often a symbol of Saint Francis.

  2. Samantha says:

    Antipope Francis’ fleece is wearing very thin.

    Want to know where the real POPE is?

    The True Pope Petrus Romanus is feeding his flock The Truth

    See his daily Mass online at

    vidgrids.com/u/testimonyofthe2 or

    testimonyofthetwowitnesses dot com

  3. Frosteetoes says:

    The full name of St. Francis of Assisi: Francesco di Pietro di Bernardone. “Pietro” is Peter in Italian.

    • Peter says:

      So there’s where we can find the connection of Petrus Romanus or Peter the Roman to this new Pope. He chose the name Francis from St. Francis of Asisi who’s full name is what you posted and it turned out St. Francis’ name has “Peter” in it, and the new Pope has an Italian heritage, thus, he came from the line of the Romans! Bullseye!

      The False Prophet has arrived indeed!!! And with a face like a Lamb but in truth a vicious wolf in sheep’s clothing!!!

      • Rev. A. Edward Moch D.D. says:

        Hello Peter… I think for now, “The Prophesy of ST. Malachy” of Peter The Roman is two-fold. I think it depends on the matter of judgement of what he will do? Be it absolute and/or limited… there are so many “Firsts” occuring, that depends on ether the readjustment of The Church Moral Compass or on The Church same old same old. I think it is still early to call at this time how beneficial and/or devastating this New Pontiff will be?

        • Cris Putnam says:

          It turns out the new pope has an intimate connection to the leader of the Vatican Observatory Research Group. In fact he brought him into the Jesuit order, the same man Jose Funes who penned the essay “The Extraterrestrial is My Brother.” This corroborates our research in Exo-Vaticana in unexpected ways!
          See this.

          • Rev. A. Edward Moch D.D. says:

            Hello Cris… I am convinced that sooner or later “The Vatican” will offically acknowledge that life does exist on other planets. This is the first step, and a main stream litmus test to say the least? To discern action and/or reaction to not only The Catholic Community, but also The Greater Global Religious Community as far as “Extraterrestrial”, evidence or not, I think they might hold off on giving a definate or give a classic neutral answer to that particular question at this time. So what you and Tom wrote may still be spot on, but non-supported by The Vatican.

    • ton says:

      I thought Pietro di Bernardone was Francis’ father?

  4. David Kaas says:

    It is a refreshing experience, to now read the thoughts present among the various men and women now here upon the planet Earth. In answer to the questions posed, concerning these “later days” there are two diametrically different routes that can be taken, in relationship to our own physical end. The first, is one in which there will be no turning back from, if the next President elect is not one which the Creator(s) have previously selected. In this scenario, the people of this planet will lose all of their rights to date, and are quite frankly, put in a total system of economic slavery which refuses to acknowledge the individual for their feeble attempts at any and all religious diversities, as well as their inherited knowledge concerning their jobs, family and social responsibilities. This system of decay will last until the day arrives, of the total destruction of this planet. This will be instrumented by the Creators angelic forces and not the demonic entities now present that have currently taken hold of certain individuals, now mixed upon this planets inhabitants to date. They, being the demonic regime, are now scheduled to experience the famous “lake of fire” as predicted by the Apostle John in the famous “Book of Revelations.”
    The second possible choice for this planets inhabitants, is to elect to office next, the one man capable of correcting this ever worsening situation now upon us by the name of the “New David.” This is in fact the person spoken of in the Revelation 19:11 as the “King of kings and Lord of lords.” There will be preceding this event the great “time of tribulation” spoken of by the apostle John, when this entire country will be given the last choice to choose for themselves collectively, and to”do it right.” If this is the out-come, and I don’t see now why it wouldn’t be, we will all have a new-beginning to look forward to sson. With the election of this man and his newly appointed White House staff, we will experience what can only be described as a revolution in personal thought and a physical freedom not enjoyed yet to date upon this planet. The reconstruction of the Great Pyramid, to be located in the Twin Cities of Minnesota containing the famous “Ark of the Covenant” will be the first of many changes to occur, providing the populace w/ FREE electricity to do the common house hold tasks as well as transportation using the hydrogen molecule, then taken from the water on this planet. This will allow our atmosphere to quickly return by way of the plants, and thereby allowing fresh air to return. The conversion of our farming industry to the production of hemp for many of our everyday products, will now insure our quick return to solvent economic state on the material level. The re-education of our populace, as to the fundamental need to begin using the new- molecular “South-spun Electron Fluid Concept” will cause the Earth’s populace to begin to exist for up to one-thousand years in a normal lifetime (in a healthy body) and will remake the system we have all come to now accept as a normal life span.
    The most interesting part of this scenario, is the recent arrival of the Galactic Federation of Planets and the Andromedan Council, who have been assisting in the “take-back” of this planet from the famous “Archon regime” spoken of in the unearthed “Nag Hammadi Scripts” and now considered to be demonic in their intent. The presence here of the Reptilians, have been greatly decreased by the recent destruction of a large underwater base located within the Indian Ocean thank to the Andromedan Council. The Moon above, brought here in 12,500 b.c. will be imploded in September 2015, allowing this planet to once again experience four growing seasons, after it’s 90 degree flip. This artificial-orb was designed for control of the Earth’s populace and will soon be eliminated by the forces that are now with us here. The deep-underground military base(D.U.M.B) now located near Dulce New Mexico, will also experience demolition as well, due to the experimentation now in progress by an unwanted contingency of the Grey’s,originally from the planet “Zeta Renticulum,” who have most recently been kidnapping our young children, to be taken and hooked to drainage devices designed to drain the pituitary glands of hormonal extract, then mixed w/ various chemicals to feed their ever growing population of young.
    If these problems are not taken into consideration now, the end of all life as we now know it will happen sooner than you may now think. But as I said earlier, I believe the general populace will desire to continue it’s existence here and I do hope to see a new-day dawning soon. With the expulsion of this negative influence, we will then be offered a seat upon the Galactic counsel and allowed membership into an ever growing group of peaceful and benevolent planets. The promise has been made now, of an already assembled star-base, which will be brought in to replace our Moon, with a reflective disk to illuminate our night sky. Our very first Star Ships will then be docked at this location and flown out into space in search of new, and old life now upon various World’s still in their evolutionary progress. This can be our future, if this is decided upon once again by our entire voting populace. The time is short but the offer has now been made to “beat our swords into plow shares and our spears into pruning hooks” if we should decide. Peace & power to all of you now.

    • David Kaas says:

      Jesus will not be returning for at least 943 more years. This is decisively figured, by subtracting my present age of 57 from the prophecy date of 1000 years, as indicated by John in the Book of Revelation. This is my best forecast, for this date in question. I have read several peoples predicted dates, who actually try to estimate when this great event will happen with no success as of yet.
      After further contemplation upon receiving an email from Chris Putnam, the creator of this most interesting site I have considered the question of the relevancy of the inscriptions on the United States One Dollar Bill. The 13 steps, leading up the side of the famous Pyramid upon our dollar bill may indicate many things as well. One being the date of this year, March 13th, being the exact day when the new Pope took office, or the date of my birth being the same, March 13, 1956. The famous day that the “Knight’s of Christ of the Temple of Solomon” were beheaded in Europe(and Axum Ethiopia) was Friday the 13th as well. The thirteen steps could also be numerically added sideways, as in the ancient Numerology system to equal a 4. This could mean the four cardinal points, being height, width, length, and depth as concerns our physical existence here, or any number of things that indicate a four, such as the directions on a map, being North, South, east and West. The flat area on top of this glyph however does not contain the reputed gold capstone, with which the original Pyramid of Giza did in it’s day, along with the installed famous “Ark of the Covenant” allowing it to function as it was originally intended to by it’s installers which were a group of individual from the planet Sirius. Our dollar bill has many hidden characteristic’s as well, being to small for the naked eye to see, however when viewed, using a hand held magnifying glass lens, many of the hidden pictures are illuminated now, posing unexpected questions! The interesting possibility’s abound when the video listed above is now viewed entitled:The Secrets Hidden in the Pyramid of Egypt (at) http://youtu.be/tiMMERUpaNY I recommend taking a look at this video now on the YouTube.com, since it’s been attempted to be removed twice to date. It has been re-loaded(and copied) at least twice now by “Harum Yahya” a Muslim Middle East group of individuals. I found it most informative, covering the 1895 Chicago World Fair the lit by the man Nicolas Tesla using towers constructed to light the bulbs, rather than the modern-day methodology of running cables to power these fixtures. Within this video is also information concerning Tesla’s tower, constructed to give off FREE electricity, torn down by his financier J.P. Morgan when he learned that this was going to happen and that there would be no way to charge for this added convenience to the then existing populace.

      • James says:

        David Kaas, Have you ever read any writings by Al Linsy?

      • David Kaas says:

        It was easy sandy! All you have to do is say something pertinent to this website and I’m sure that he will respond accordingly.
        Did you know that my last name is correctly spelled “Kaas” which now days means “Cheese” coming from Alsace Lorraine, adjacent to France and Germany. It is also written in the “King James” and “International Bible” as the second son of the man Levi, there written as “Caath or Kohath.” This family carried/ administered to the famous “Ark of the Covenant” in the old days of ancient Israel. England’s early invader’s were known by the name “Saxon’s” which was originally spelled “Son’s of Saac” which is the name “Caas” spelled backwards! if you add an “I” it then becomes the word “Isaac.” I thought that you might find this interesting as well. Now be nice, I don;t appreciate rude people, even girls like you.

      • David Kaas says:

        sandy you seem to have an axe to grind? I am here only to educate and inform, since this is the purpose of this site. The Bible has been re-written in different parts, so don’t believe that it is all the word of the Creator now. At the Nicene Council meeting, along time ago, the members decided which books to include in the big-book anyways. I also have sources above and beyond what you would consider this world at this moment. Excuse me for being so blunt, but I don’t appreciate being called evil by anyone who doesn’t have the slightest idea of when or where things are about to happen. Chris is a very astute individual and must feel that I have something to add to his site, so if you don’t appreciate the candor of my entrees, then just let them be….for those that care to learn.
        by the way, I never make claims that I can’t back up with facts. Shalom to you too.

  5. Antonio says:

    Hi @all

    I’ve found a quite interesting video about CARDINAL JORGE MARIO BERGOGLIO. It shows him during a jewish Hanukka feast last year in Buonos Aires / Argentina in a jewish temple together with other religious leaders such as a high priest of the Umbanda cult.

  6. Antonio says:

    Sorry, the link is here

  7. David Kaas says:

    A popular connotation, used currently in the English language is the word:

    “anti-Christ” which denotes any and all who are against the teachings of the man Jesus. Another meaning of the “Ante’ Christ” was made popular in France by the man Michelle de Nostradame in his famous scripts which mean the “one who comes before the Christ returns” such as an “Ante” before a game of cards.

    Although the first has been used down through time, to denounce this type of behavior, present logic suggests that the second definition maybe true today!

  8. paolo says:

    How can you say this man is Petrus Romanus? Sorry, this devise is for another pontiff. This is not the final Pope, maybe he will be an Antipope. Petrus Romanus will be instead the last official Pope in the prophecy ( ‘qui pascet oves suas in extrema persecutione etc.’). It’s that simple.

  9. Jacob says:

    oh oh too many people in this site biting the “Jew hate” bait…. guys , leave the discipline of the Jewish people to
    God, and mind your own business, …otherwise you are going to be spanked by the God of Israel… just pray for the powerful Jews, pray psalm 83 on their behalf… poor America…. too many of her sons already antisemite… FLEE AMERICA, YOU PROUD AMERICANS, get out of your Land because the judgement of God against you is inminent!!!

    • BT says:

      According to Talmudic Jews, God listens to them, so, you may be right!
      But who is the “god” of their Most Holy Talmud?

      Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.
      http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

      • Jacob says:

        Well well, All Scripture must be properly balanced, “rightly dividing the Word of Truth”… you cannot take one Scripture and despise other ones, like, for instance, Romans 9-11, among others… let me tell you something, the Jews are going to suffer much in the coming days… they are trusting in their military might, in America as a military partner, in their nukes, in their intelligence echelon… BUT it is UP TO THE GOD OF ISRAEL to deliver discipline… they will suffer perhaps lanother holocaust in America…I dont know, I think they will have enough of Gods discipline in the coming days, so we better mind our own business because it is not up to us to judge Israel… now, if you happen to be an instrument of judgement (like the king of Persia) well well, too bad for you, after God uses you He will deal with you and you will not escape. Just pray for the Jews, for the powerful conspiracy Jews, for the Comunist Jews, for the whatever evil Jew, and for the normal Jew, the ones that are not involved in ruling the wolrd, pray for them, and the God of Israel will bless you….
        LAST WORD, IF YOU ARE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: PACK YOUR STUFF AND LEAVE THAT DAMNED COUNTRY !!! FORGET ABOUT LIBERTY, DEMOCRACY, AND ALL OF YOUR IDOLS, JUST PACK AND LEAVE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE…. I think God is already fed up with your pride, gadgets, porn, …. and you filled the world with it, just….. look at all the messages you have posted here, … you are blind people, you dont have any idea of what you have done to the world,… you are a cursed people, in one hour your destruction will come, just flee your country… I am just taking the time to use internet to warn all of you, because one American 30 years ago came to my land and I got saved, praise God, so out of gratitude I am warning you….

    • Sharona says:

      AMEN Jacob !!

      • YES AND AMEN AGAIN! Abraham begot Isaac who begot Jacob who became Israel who begot the 12 sons who became the 12 tribes of Israel. The God of Israel=Is Real. Genesis 12:3 applies to all the world through all of history. See website> GodofIsraelisReal.com for hundreds of proofs of this FACT which is still true to our very day! Just one EMP shot from a DPRK “satelite launch” 300 miles over the U.S. and we have KAOS! Within one year a hundred million dead due to lack of modern technology such as electricity, computers, cars, trucks etc. Be Rapture Ready!!! Our interceptors can only go up 200 miles. We await the TROJAN HORSE soon to appear. A Black Horse of Death. Choose Jesus and LIVE.

        • Hint Sharona & Jacob! >>> Abraham & Sarah waited a long long long time for Isaac to be born and then only after all hope was lost. Remember Sarah was 90! But just like Israel taking thousands of years to reappear on the Modern day scene, it happened, and Isaac was finally born who begot Jacob who was called Israel since he begot the twelve sons who became the twelve tribes of Israel. God is soooo GREAT. He gives us clues and foreshadowing throughout His Holy Word! Everything about Israel is predicted in the Bible. Even the EXACT date of Israel’s birth is easily calculated from the Holy Word of God! BibleProvenTrue dot com GodofIsraelisReal dot com

  10. BT says:

    “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” ~Galatians 3:29

    Can it get any simpler than this?

    • sandy says:

      Hi BT,
      No, it doesn’t get ANY more simply than that; but that is REALLY not the issue here. The issue is ‘ the pride of life’. Some people would RATHER disregard the Bible than admit they COULD be wrong. Sad but true. It’s a BIG part of HUMILITY. That virtue is scarce and in some cases, non-existant in the body of Christ. With all the ‘hard to dicyfer’ scriptures in the Bible it’s easy to see why God wouldn’t give clarity to them. I can see Him saying; “You can’t even get the EASY ones right!”

      • Benevolent Troll says:

        Hi Sandy!
        I’m sorry. I’ve only dropped in briefly and couldn’t stay long. I probably did comment “out of context”.
        It’s just that part of this Jewish debate always comes down the the land belonging to the Jews now because they say that is what the promise of Abraham was about.

        I know the Torah Jews do not support the state of Israel as it is now because they believe they are to remain in exile until the Messiah comes.

        That is why they may be in the most danger of being deceived when the false Messiah comes, and if the antichrist does set up his kingdom from Jerusalem.

        But what you are saying is a good point, about Humility, etc…

        By the way, remember what you posted about the gov’t infiltrating social media sites? Have you heard of the JIDF? (Look it up!)

  11. owl says:

    Note that my post has been nuked. Interesting wouldn’t you say?

  12. owl says:

    @sandy

    Note that my post has been nuked. Interesting wouldn’t you say?

    • James says:

      Before I got saved I used to watch a movie called “Life of Brian”. It is a parody between Brian’s life and Jesus. If I were to watch it today without a doubt, I believe that most of it would be blasphemous. They have a segment in the movie which goes into numerous and numerous examples of the “Only” way to be saved. “No, you must have your left foot in your right hand as you hold onto the gourd of life”. As we read these comments on the board it shouldn’t surprise us as to the estimate of Christian Denominations. Somewhere between 35-45,000, and we want to blame the Jews for failing in their mission. I can’t comprehend the Creator becoming a man, and living out the Gospel, which Paul describes in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 It has been said that “it is so simple a child can swim in it, and theologians can drown in it”. We are living in a Dispensation of Grace freely offered to Jew and Gentile alike. I will finish by saying, there is a bible teacher that I listen to, who gave this example yesterday. I find it somewhat appropriate since we have turned our sights on God’s Chosen People the last few days. A lady once came to Spurgeon, and stated she “just couldn’t understand how God could hated Esau”? Spurgeon replied, “Lady, I don’t understand how he loved Jacob”? The same could be said, “Of Us”. Keep Looking Up…Jesus is soon to come for “His Own” the Body of Christ…James

    • owl says:

      @sandy

      Ignore david k’s posts, he is trolling nonsense cause he is either confused or trying to create confusion.

      As far as the video on shapeshift yes this is quite possible and I have personally witnessed it myself years ago what looked like a mix of human and wolf type being. Interestingly it happened in a public place and noone else seemed to notice. It caught me off guard and I experienced a bit of a shock and was literally stunned for a moment. When I came to my senses a few seconds later I was looking around trying to locate this individual but he was gone into a crowd. They sense when you are able to see them for what they are and they tend to flee in such cases. Keep in mind that our eyes can only see and process a limited spectrum of visible light therefore these types of individuals are hiding just outside of that spectrum and at times for whatever reason they collapse into our field of vision. There will be more of these type of projections moving forward.

      • David Kaas says:

        Sandy, why would you care what anybody says, especially me? Why would a woman like yourself try to persuade anyone to “ignore” any posting here, if the host thinks enough to post it? And why would you think that my opinion matters little, unless you seem to fear the truth? I still haven’t figured out why you care to comment again on my opinions repeatedly everyday and seem to feel offended at my candor? Go in peace to love and serve the Lord….as soon as he arrives!

      • owl says:

        Sandy, I do not think they are fallen angels or demons but rather genetically created by some form of higher order physics mixing human and animal DNA not much different than the apparent gray alien drones. They can be demonized and are more than likely creations of fallen angels directly or indirectly via those that follow them through numerous underground labs at least on this planet. There is a supernatural component involved as well thus they are not just physically engineered shells. We know through research and experience that the power of Jesus Christ drives these entities away so I would not worry or fear too much over it. But it is good to be aware of the possibility to minimize the potential shock and awe factor.

  13. Paul Boucher says:

    Readers might be interested in seeing the view of traditional Catholics as to the apostasy of the Church of Rome and the False Popes in the video found at -

    http://www.youtube.com/user/mhfm1?v=ENWYRPkA7Ao&feature=pyv&ad=7367214752&kw=pope

    - it matches remarkably with what Chris and Tom Horn have been saying all along. It does include photos and video that I’ve not seen before – which in itself might make it worthwhile viewing.

    I certainly would expect to see protestants to take exception to claims made regarding them, but don’t let that keep you from seeing the Vatican from the inside as you may never have seen it before. It does not address Pope Francis as this video was posted some 2 years ago.

    • Thanks Paul for the video link! Very interesting how the Virgin Mary can be compared to the Ark of the Covenant! The parallels are amazing! I like it! Better run to Holy Mother the Church to avoid the Storms on the horizon because soon after these End of The Age days, the Antichrist will rule for a short time. Then the “truth” will be a choice laid before the world to either accept or reject. And where is that truth to be found? Immediately after St. Paul’s discourse on the times of the Antichrist and the lies and deceptions that will accompany it, he writes:

      Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours. (2 Thess 2:15)

      These oral and written “traditions” have been faithfully preserved for 2000 years in the Catholic Church, under the “visible source and foundation of unity”, which is the successor of Peter. St. Paul, in a word, is telling us to stand firm on the rock.

      Hoping against hope! Today too, amid so much darkness, we need to see the light of hope and to be men and women who bring hope to others… It is a hope built on the rock, which is God. —POPE FRANCIS I, Installation Homily, March 19th, 2013

      God—who then declares Peter to be a rock on which He builds His Church.

      Today’s installation of Pope Francis I is a sign that Jesus has not abandoned the Church in her hour of Passion, and that the Barque of Peter, the rock, will be the safest place to stand in the Great Storm that is here and coming. For she too is a Protector and Defender, even if she be reduced to a remnant…

      …everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand. The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined. (Matt 7:26-27)

      Certainly, Jesus Christ conferred power upon Peter, but what sort of power was it? Jesus’ three questions to Peter about love are followed by three commands: feed my lambs, feed my sheep, feed my sheep (John 21:12-17). Let us never forget that authentic power is service, and that the Pope too, when exercising power, must enter ever more fully into that service which has its radiant culmination on the Cross. —POPE FRANCIS I, Installation Homily, March 19th, 2013 Be Rapture Ready!!! Ekklesia or Church in Greek means “Called out Group” 1Thes4:17 John 14:1-7 1417=1417 >An EXACT match!

      • I’m Sorry I screwed that up! It is rather 1413=1413 1Thes 4:13- = John 14:1-3 AN EXACT MATCH!!!>>

        The Upper Room Discourse and the Rapture Texts Match!!! 1413=1413 I need more fish for brain food!>>>

        WOW!!! REVELATION!!! 1THESSALONIANS 4:13- = JOHN 14:1-3 WOW!!! 1413=1413!!! GOD HAS INSPIRED THE NUMERICAL TEXT SYSTEM/JOHN 6:66 IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE!!! (In this text John writes that those poor disciples no longer would follow Jesus!)

        Studying in the middle of the night we were blown away to discover that the Rapture which was first revealed by Christ the night before His crucifixion in John 14:1-3, (Part of The Upper Room Discourse of John 13-17) just happens to point us to 1Thes 4:13 of the exact same numbers & theme, where Paul begins to tell us about the Rapture mystery!!! These most beautiful words of Jesus’ teachings the night before His death, provides the Catholic Church with powerful TRUTHS! And Yes, The Rapture of believers is one of these powerful TRUTHS included in Christ’s last minute disclosure! (That we may be where He is!)

        Comparing John 14:1-3 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13 we see amazing parallels! The obvious fact that John 14:1-3 is a rapture reference is supported by the progression of words and thoughts when compared to Paul’s more extensive rapture passage (1 Thess. 4:13-18). This is exactly what Christ said in the Upper Room Discourse! Jesus said that He would introduce them to items the night before His death and later when the Holy Spirit would come He would expand upon them more fully.

        Read these passages again prayerfully and you may see the obvious, that the words are almost an exact parallel! They follow one another in both passages in exactly the same order! Only the righteous are dealt with in each case! There is not a single irregularity in the progression of words from first to last! Both scripture passages take the believer from the troubles of earth to the glories of heaven!

        In light of comparing Scripture with Scripture, it appears obvious that Jesus’ teaching in John 14:1-3 and Paul’s revelation in 1 Thessalonians 4:13 speak of the same event-the Rapture of the Church! How else does one explain the progression of eight specific words/phrases in exactly the same order, in two different passages, by two different spokesmen? It is clear that these passages refer to a single future event — the Rapture of the Catholic Church Believers & those of other separated Believers! Yes! We learn that the Catholic Church’s blessed hope was first revealed by our Lord on the eve of His crucifixion to His disciples as they grieved over His departure. Later, the doctrine of the Rapture was explained in greater detail via Paul’s revelation to give comfort to the Thessalonians who were faced with a similar problem of departing loved ones that Jesus dealt with in the Upper Room with His disciples. Now, 2,000 years later and all around the world, today’s Catholic Church can be comforted by the hope that in the next moment of time we could be face-to-face with our Lord, in the Father’s house, via the Rapture of the Church. May it occur today! Maranatha!!! Maranatha!!! Maranatha Lord Jesus, Yeshua!!!

        Parallels between 1 Thess 4 and John 14:

        1 Thess 4:13-17 ~ John 14:1-3
        that ye sorrow not ~ Let not your heart be troubled
        For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again ~ ye believe in God, believe also in me
        For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord ~ if it were not so, I would have told you
        For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven ~ I will come again
        caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air ~ and receive you unto myself
        and so shall we ever be with the Lord. ~ that where I am, there ye may be also.
        1 Thess 4:13-
        13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
        14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
        15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
        16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
        17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
        18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

        John 14:1-3
        1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
        2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
        3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
        4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

        THE ESCAPE
        Jesus warned us in the scriptures, “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE* all these things that shall come to pass, and to STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN.” (Luke 21:36) The word “Escape” used here in the Bible is the Greek word “Ekpheugo” meaning to take out of time & place.

        • James says:

          Joseph Michael…I have been described on this board as a trouble maker, but I would like to touch on a few points. I will make a few comments in a general way, then you can do your own due diligence, if you so choose? The Apostle Paul was chosen by the Risen Savior to be the Apostle to the Gentiles. He wrote almost half of our NT. If you do a study as time progressed Peter eventually wrote that “Paul’s writings were hard to understand, but listen to Paul”. Paul is the only writer that addresses several mysteries, one of which is the Body of Christ, the Body of Christ is the called out ones during this dispensation of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. If you are going to have the need for a Pope, then Paul would be the man. If you continue to study you will see as time progressed that James moved to the forefront as leader of the Jerusalem Church. Acts 15 If I might also address this issue that seems to be even more pervasive by the day, that Mary is Co-Redemptor with Jesus. It has been a while since I looked at this, and if I am wrong then I am wrong. My understanding is that in the original language the name Mary is Miriam, which means “Rebel”. We are all in Rebellion. Even her name states the condition of man we are all in rebellion against God. Last but not least, by Jesus own words “Bigger is not Better”. The Catholic Church has approx 1.2 Billion members? Jesus said “narrow is the way that leads to life, and few there be that find it”. I read some of your earlier post to Zach and I agreed, but I am sorry, I just can’t agree with your last few comments. Jesus is soon to come…Keep Looking Up, James

          • Cris Putnam says:

            James as far as this post you certainly aren’t a trouble maker, I just want to affirm your argument and thank you for offering it.

          • James James James…Miriam means “wished-for child” or “sea of bitterness because the Virgin Mary had her very heart pierced with a sword of SORROW. Did you forget Simeon Prophecy! Mary was the Mother of Yeshua and must have felt more pain over the crucifixion of Jesus than any Christian in all of History. Mary was “The Woman” of Genesis 3:15. That is why Jesus referred to His Mother so many times as “Woman” from the cross, at the wedding feast in Cana etc. She is Assumed into Heaven and has a very very special place there! MILLIONS have come to faith in Jesus through Mary. Guadalupe etc. is clear evidence of this and passes the “Test of Spirits” in the Bible. Mary proclaims Jesus as God manifest in the Flesh, died for our sins and risen again. Mary proclaims ONLY Jesus as the source for Salvation. Don’t be afraid just follow Jesus! Peter even according to Constantine is buried under Saint Peter’s in Rome. Too much proof of that. Jesus changed his name to “rock” Petros. Not Petra since that is feminine so for a man Jesus said Petros. WHY???????? Thou art PETROS PETER and on this rock I will build my church. Jesus is building it and using PETER! The conversation continues and many forget this and try to break up the one conversation by Jesus to Peter. AND TO YOU PETER I GIVE THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM…. Let us not take out of context! Sure Peter denied Jesus making him an even better candidate to lead His Church. Remember Peter also took up the sword to defend his master and being human and very tired and cold became overwhelmed with fear seeing the Master he loved under arrest and being beaten in terrible pain. Which of us in the same circumstances would not be Peter? Then Jesus after the Resurrection confirmed Peter’s position in the Church by not only asking three times do you love me…but instructing Peter to FEED MY LAMBS FEED MY SHEEP FEED MY SHEEP. There was only one Church for most of history. Martin Luther’s anti-semitism was not any better. He wrote, “If God was going to keep his promises to the Jew we would see them back in their land and we don’t see it” WRONG! In a similar way Abraham & Sarah waited a long long time for Isaac and then only after all hope was lost. But just like Israel, it happened, and Isaac begot Jacob who begot the twelve tribes of Israel. Yes James! Israel = Is Real!!! (and I have never found you to be a T.M.) Paul may have been the greater teacher but Peter was the simple fisherman and all people at that time knew of PETER who walked on water with Jesus!

        • James says:

          Joseph Michael..We will agree to disagree, but I did a quick google. The definition of Mary in Hebrew is really unknown, except it lists two of the three meanings that you mentioned, plus what I posted. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080714195225AAKW3di Also I am just a layman, and Cris is the scholar. Let’s see if he responds to your last comments. There are several areas that I find questionable…Keep Looking Up..Jesus is coming soon…James

      • Cris Putnam says:

        Joseph,
        Peter was likely never the bishop of Rome. The New Testament is all you need to see the truth of this. 1)Peter was the apostle to the Jews, Paul was to the gentiles. 2) Peter last appears in Acts 15 (this is when Rome claims he was already the bishop). Acts then turns to Paul and ends with Paul arrested in Rome but Peter is never mentioned as being there. This is odd that Luke would leave out his prescence, it doesn’t follow he would neglect it, so Peter was likely not there. 3) Paul’s letter to the Romans sends greeting to 29 people – this is during the time Catholics say Peter was bishop of Rome – but Paul does not greet Peter as a member of the church in Rome, clearly Peter was not there. 4) Irenaeus – who was one generation from the apostles – lists Linus as the first bishop of Rome and Peter was not listed. 5) An ossuary was found in a 1st century Christian burial ground in the Mt of Olives inscribed with “Simon bar Jonah.”

        • Pure Poppycock Cris. How many times have we heard the nonsense that a tomb of someone was found??? The evidence of Peter buried under St. Peter’s is overwhelming! There is a book called “The World’s Greatest Secret” covers this. There is just too much history that proves it. From Constantine s own witting to archaeological evidence. There was a grave site then a chapel then a church then lastly the Basilica of St. Peter’s built on the site. Remember St. Paul instructs us to not ignore the traditions and the traditions are all too strong as well. Peter was crucified in Rome upside down by his request since he felt unworthy to die as his Master Yeshua! There is also no tomb of Mary or any tradition amazingly ever about her place of burial! Why? because Mary was Raptured Assumped into Heaven by the Power of Yeshua. Rev Mary was the temple of Yeshua and did not see corruption. All generations will call Her blessed!

  14. David Kaas says:

    Listen-in at 5:00 a.m PST to Clayton Douglas on the channel: http://www.freedomslips.com to hear the latest updates now! Also on BlogTV.com, BlogTalkRadio.com, and TalkShoe.com

    There is a war going on right now and you now need to hear the news!

  15. David Kaas says:

    FLASH! Hillary Clinton now arrested for diverting 11.7 Triillon dollar’s to a China account and Chelsea arrested for stealing 10.5 million to buy a New York apartment. Joe Arpia from Arizona w/ an investigative team has found the Kenya birth certificate of Barack Obama today as well.

    Enjoy now….it’s getting better everyday!

  16. David Kaas says:

    I have read that the New David, is the one pointed to first, in the Book of Revelations as the “King of kings and Lord of lords” he will speak with a sharp sword which comes out of his mouth. This is the King Messiah, then Jesus comes back as the High Priest Messiah in about 1000 years, after we beat out swords into plow shares and spears into pruning forks. This is the true “Word of God” to all who now wish to know!

    Check your bible again.

  17. David Kaas says:

    There is a new video on theYoutube.com that I would recommend that you see now by Alfred Webre. It is entitled; Archons: Exorcising hidden controllers w/ Robert M. Stanley and Laura Magdalene Eisenhower

    In this video is discussed the presence now of the Archons, the Draco Reptilians from the Star system Orion, and the Grey’s. These people are well versed in this subject matter w/ little speculation.

    Listen and see what you think!

  18. John says:

    There is something wrong with this pope, i do believe that he is infact petrus romanus. but all vague links to him being of italian heritage really mean nothing, when this prediction was made italy didn’t exist, it was a mixture of papel and non papel states. if you want to link him with the roman empire, he could just as easily have heritage from most parts of europe. I think he was chosen based on his name and background having nothing to do with petrus romanus and was told not to choose anything that would link him to that. so i don’t know. will it be something that chooses him intstead of him choosing it?.

  19. John says:

    I’m very worried about some of the comments on this page, there is a video on youtube which is a radio show recording which is based on the book petrus romanus. I was attacked there for daring to say that the 2012 mayan theories were rubbish. they told me how little i knew that i had no idea and with a mixture of alien invadors and a whole host of other things the world would end in 2012. well it seems i was right! and now the same people are back pushing another UFO conspiracy theory. and what happens when they are proven sillyness?!. I think some people here seriously have to look at their mental health. and i don’t say that to be cruel or hateful. but in all seriousness.

    • David Kaas says:

      Dear John,
      The galactic federation of planets/andromedan council are now in our skies above. Fear not. Both of these groups are now working in tandem to secure this planet once again for all of mankind. Both are benevolent groups that are here at our time of need. I have met this group in person nearly twenty years ago today. They have now destroyed the undersea Reptilian base located in the Indian Ocean. They have also informed me now of their plans to remove/implode the artificial Moon above in Sept. 2015. The Grey’s now located at the deep-underground military base(D.U.M.B.) near Dulce New Mexico are scheduled to be taken care of at that time as well. I can only assure you that those craft that are now above, are friends and not foes. Keep the faith, and soon we will be joining the galactic federation of planets, board of trustees. Peace and power be with you now. The New David

  20. Lin says:

    Do you realise that the link to the “Military Order of Malta” is an atheist, anti Israel, anti all religion site?
    Quotes -
    “bit by bit, with horrifying sureness, I have come to realize that there is nothing more evil on this planet than the monotheistic religions born in the Middle East.”

    “The Hebrew Bible is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a historical document, and trying to understand the history of Palestine by reading the Bible is like trying to understand Medieval history by reading Ivanhoe.”

    “Today Israel celebrates not the birth of nationhood but a 60-year-long campaign of ethnic cleansing of an innocent and defenseless people, justified by a 2000-year-old lie.”

    I wouldn’t want any association with that site.

    • Cris Putnam says:

      Lin, That site posts material from a variety of worldviews. It’s just a clearinghouse of information, it is not ideological. I linked to the page about Military Order of Malta. If you wander off to other material, it’s true, no telling what you will find.

    • But just in case Lin, you do wander there blog about the Truth Of The Bible including about Israel!!! The God of Israel=Is Real!!! GodofIsraelisReal d o t co m
      *Reference: The Exact Date Israel Became A Nation Is Easily Calculated From The Scriptures Using Ezekiel 4:4-8 & Leviticus 26:18,21,24+28. Take The Penalty(390>Israel’s Punishment + 40>Judah’s Punishment=430 Years, Subtract 70 Years, Since These Were The Years Already Served By Israel While In Babylonian Captivity. Total Then = 360 Years. Multiply 360 Times Seven (As We Are Instructed To Do Repeatedly Here In Leviticus), Remember Our Total Is Now 2,520 Years Of Punishment Remaining For Israel. Now Add The 2,520 Years To The Year & The Month Of Nisan In Which Israel’s Babylonian Captivity By King Cyrus Ended(Nehemiah 2:1), Which Is Our Point Of Reference From The Bible. Wow, This Will Bring Us To Hebrew Year 5708 & The Exact Date Israel Became A Nation! But This Means Little To Westerners Who Go By The Gregorian Calendar. Hey. This Date Is May 15th 1948! GOD OF ISRAEL = IS REAL !!!

      • Lin says:

        Sorry I don’t understand !

        All I was trying to say was I can’t see why anyone would link to a site with so many lies and mis information and say ‘but this bit is correct’. Must be Christian sites with the necessary information.

        • Cris Putnam says:

          “Sorry I don’t understand ! ”

          Haven’t you ever been to a library? Same sort of thing…

          • Lin says:

            I ment I don’t understand Joseph Michael’s reply -

            “But just in case Lin, you do wander there blog about the Truth Of The Bible including about Israel!!! The God of Israel=Is Real!!! GodofIsraelisReal d o t co m” etc

  21. David Kaas says:

    Dear Cris,
    Things are indeed seeming to progress from bad to worse. This weeks continued “false flagging” of North Korea is proof that the US Navy is intending to start trouble in the area, using the HARRP systems, as well as torpedoed sites, then claiming it was the Korean’s attempted first-strike abilities that have necessitated our involvement. The new-pope is scheduled to visit Argentina some time this summer, rumor has it that he will then set-up the New Vatican there with the smuggling of the gold present in the Italian location presently. Shortly following this masquerade, the old Vatican will be planted with explosives by his Jesuit counter-parts and detonated, thereby blaming the notorious “Terrorists” for this event. Any current Bible references applied to the modern-day Israel are completely erroneous and should not be taken seriously by anyone. Upon the site: http:americannationalmilitia.com there is a report entitled: New World Order -Part 1 (Special Report on North/South Korean Crisis, that I feel you all need to take a look at now. Thank you Cris for your continued support of the true meaning of this existence today!

    • David Kass wrote: Any current Bible references applied to the modern-day Israel are completely erroneous and should not be taken seriously by anyone.?????????????? SAYYYYY WHAAAT??? The God of Modern Day Israel=Is REAL!!! Jews are accepting Jesus in larger and larger numbers!!! All Scriptures concerning everything about the modern day Jews and Israel are coming true EXACTLY 100%! DEM Bones are reformed life is coming back through God’s Spirit. The Genesis 12:3 curse/blessing is alllll tooooo realllllll!!! THE EXACT DATE ISRAEL WAS “BORN IN A DAY” IS FOUND IN HOLY SCRIPTURE! The #1 selling book in all of world history is 10000% TRUTH!!! Martin Luther was way wrong when he said”The Jews are clearly cursed since they are not back in their promised land.” He was way tooo impatient just like Abraham & Sarah who waited soooooooo long for Isaac to be born who begat Jacob who became Israel 12 tribes. God is soooo GREAT!!! He gives us constant foreshadowing in Holy Scripture. From Moses’ serpent on the pole, to Joseph 2nd in charge to the Pharoah toooo…you name it!!!!! IT IS ALLLLLL FORESHADOWING OF THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS, THE JEWS, THE GENTILES HIS CHURCH ETC. Even the Jewish Feasts foreshadow it all in even tiny minute details! The Matza wrapped in a linnen cloth and hidden at Passover for a child to find and receive a reward are all some of thousands of obvious clues toooo real for anyone to ignore. Tons of Proof at BibleProvenTrue d o t c o m

      • David Kaas says:

        Dear Joseph Michael,
        Please reference the Bible (at) Hosea 3:4-5, Isaiah 55:3-5, Jeremiah 30:9, Ezekial 34:23-24, and finally Ezekial 37:24-25
        When our Creator says specifically, “Instead, they will serve the Lord their God and David their King whom I will raise up for them.” don’t you think that he means it? When he says again,”For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the Lord their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the Lord and to his blessings in the last days. How about that JM?
        This entire planet will respond soon, watch and see for yourself if I have deceived You.

        • I will give you a hundred more proofs from Holy Scripture D.K., that the God of Modern Day Israel=Is Real!!!!!!!! #1 The revival of the Hebrew language, the mother tongue of Israelis today, is evidence that Bible prophecy is being fulfilled.
          Eliezer Ben Yehuda, a European Jew in the late 1800′s who immigrated to Israel to raise his family would become the man credited with reviving the ancient Hebrew language. For almost 2000 years, Hebrew was not a spoken language with the exception of a few phrases used in religious activities. Ben Yehuda, starting with a conversation with friends in Paris, France developed a modern day usage of the language of the Jewish people for the first 2000 years of their existence.
          Modern day Hebrew is made up of Biblical Hebrew which is 80% of modern day Hebrew and 20% of new Hebrew words that have been created over the last 130 years. Ben Yehuda put together the first Hebrew dictionary for modern Hebrew and developed the way to teach the language which is called “Ulpan”. This account of how Hebrew was revived for usage today is an evidence of how Bible prophecy is being fulfilled today.
          Jeremiah, an ancient Jewish prophet wrote 2500 years ago that when the Jews would return to the land of their forefathers, Jeremiah 31:8-17, the Lord would give them back the language of their forefathers, the language they would use to bless the Lord, Jeremiah 31:23. Another Jewish prophet, Zephaniah, also predicted that the pure language of Hebrew would be revived in the last days, Zephaniah 3:9.
          Israelis speaking Hebrew today proves that Bible prophecy will be fulfilled. #2 … see web site BibleProvenTrue d o t c o m

          • So David, beyond these hundred scriptural proofs cited is a vast amount of physical proof in our present day modern reality!>>>Rabbi Menachem Kohen of Brooklyn discovered that the land of Israel “suffered an unprecedented, severe and inexplicable (by anything other than supernatural explanations) drought that lasted from the first century until the 20th – a period of 1,800 years coinciding with the forced dispersion of the Jews.” Research of Rabbi Kohen points us to the revelation that only after the Jews returned did the rain begin to come:
            For 1,800 years, it hardly ever rained in Israel. This was the barren land discovered by Mark Twain. So-called “Palestine” was a wasteland – nobody lived there. There was no indigenous Arab population to speak of. It only came after the Jews came back. Beginning in A.D. 70 and lasting until the early 1900s – about 660,000 days – no rain.
            Examine the rainfall data for 150 years in Israel beginning in the early 1800s and leading up to the 1960s. What you will find is astonishing – increasing rainfall almost every single year – with the heaviest rainfall coming in and around 1948 and 1967.
            Then after those many years and just as Isaiah had foretold, Israel was born in one day:
            Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion was in labor, She gave birth to her children, (Isaiah 66:8).
            On May 14, 1948 Israel (the fig tree) declared independence and then was ratified as a nation by edict of the United Nations and literally was born in one day. 1948 becomes the year by which a generation can be measured against.

  22. JoAnn says:

    Hate to disapppoint some of you BUT…Pope Francis is NOT the 112th pope. According to “The Oxford Dictionary of Popes”, Pope Francis is the 102nd pope. Even if you included the “anti-popes” that would make Pope Francis the 114th pope, which would render John Paul II the 112th pope. Don’t take my word for it, check it out for yourselves. Sooo, if Malachy’s prophesy is true, we have a long way to go before we see the 112th pope.

    • David Kaas says:

      JoAnn, you’re full of “poppy-cock” the same as “Joseph Michael and Sandy” I’m afraid. Cris Putnam is a very intelligent person, and serious deserves all of your respect for not only his own personal views, but this website as well.

  23. David Kaas says:

    Any one of you, including Rabbi’s, now need to answer the question as to “why” the Jewish religion has celebrated the “Passover Day” on the Waning Moon night, instead of the Full Moon night written in the Bible?
    Historically this day was changed in 625 b.c. after a group of Rabbi’s made this change in the ancient practice.
    Why also does the Jewish faith then claim to celebrate it’s weekly Sabbath count on the Gregorian Saturday, when the Rabbi’s all are familiar with keeping the same day as previously selected each year as the true day of worship?

    These two facts alone, mark the Jewish faith, as the one which our Creator finds the most reprehensible of all.

    • David David David. There is sooo much proof that the Bible gives us an all too clear road map of the future. Only God knows the End from the Beginning. He is outside of His creation called TIME. David just listen to Yeshua’s Word’s here>”Learn The Parable Of The Fig Tree And ALL THE TREES” >Lebanon, Jordan, Syria & Egypt

      We read in Luke’s Gospel that Jesus also mentioned “all the trees” – just what are we to make of this? Jesus said to learn the parable of the fig tree and all the trees. We learned what is the Scriptural meaning of the fig tree, but what do “all the trees” represent?

      Ezekiel 20:46-48 contains ONE OF NUMEROUS examples of nations represented as trees. However, perhaps the most telling of all is Ezekiel 31:3-15. There Assyria is likened to a cedar of Lebanon that was greater than all the other trees (which is to say nations). “Therefore its height was exalted above all the trees of the field… and in its shadow all great nations made their home,” (Ezekiel 31:5, 6). God describes how Assyria, the cedar of Lebanon was greater than other kinds of trees though God would send another to cut it down.

      Daniel 4:10-11 and Zechariah 11:2 also offer more examples of rulers and nations represented as trees. With the background of the Old Testament, we can now turn back to the New Testament and find Jesus’ use of seed (Matthew 13:6, 40), vine branches (John 15:6) and trees (Luke 3:9; 21:29) to represent people or nations not surprising but very much in keeping with the Scriptures. Therefore, let’s look again at Luke 21:29 “Then He spoke to them a parable: ‘Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.’” The fig tree is Israel and therefore all the trees are other nations. The question then becomes which nations was He referring to?

      The answer comes from the comparison with the fig tree; it was dried and then sprouted again. Israel was dried for many years and then came back to be a nation. It would appear therefore that Jesus was referring to other nations close to Israel which would also be reborn. What is astounding to discover is that all of the countries that border Israel came back to be independent nation states around the same time as Israel. The CIA World Fact Book discusses how Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and Egypt gained their independence all between the years 1943 and 1952 – all within five years of the birth of Israel.

      Lebanon

      Following World War I, France acquired a mandate over the northern portion of the former Ottoman Empire province of Syria. The French separated out the region of Lebanon in 1920, and granted this area independence in 1943.

      Jordan

      Following World War I and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, the UK received a mandate to govern much of the Middle East. Britain separated out a semi-autonomous region of Transjordan from Palestine in the early 1920s, and the area gained its independence in 1946; it adopted the name of Jordan in 1950.

      Syria

      Following World War I, France acquired a mandate over the northern portion of the former Ottoman Empire province of Syria. The French administered the area as Syria until granting it independence in 1946.

      Egypt

      Following the completion of the Suez Canal in 1869, Egypt became an important world transportation hub, but also fell heavily into debt. Ostensibly to protect its investments, Britain seized control of Egypt’s government in 1882, but nominal allegiance to the Ottoman Empire continued until 1914. Partially independent from the UK in 1922, Egypt acquired full sovereignty with the overthrow of the British-backed monarchy in 1952, (CIA World Fact Book, emphases mine).

      These countries, like Israel, did not exist as independent countries until 1943 and after. They were simply parts of the Ottoman Empire and then parts of the British Empire or a colony of the French. Their birth around the birth of Israel strengthens the significance of 1948. BE RAPTURE READY!!! ThereisProof. c o

  24. Cris, Cris, Cris. After skimming through your books and video clips I must state unequivocally that Popes have made and make mistakes and this is no surprise. But Infallibility is reserved ex cathedra. No popes in the history of the Church have ever made ex cathedra errors. Ex cathedra refers to when the Holy Father speaks in the full capacity of his office from the cathedra or seat of Peter to authoritatively define a dogma of the Church. In 2000 years, no pope has ever changed or added anything to the “deposit of faith.” The declaration of Christ that Peter is “rock” has obviously endured, tied as it is to the promise that “the Spirit of truth will lead you into all truth” and “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” The idea that a pope is going to change the Church’s infallible teachings, as your views allege, contradicts Our Lord himself.
    It must also be said that your books which suggest that Pope Francis is a “false prophet”—is morally grave. It is reprehensible on the account that Francis is a man whose personal example and orthodoxy have been stellar, not only as a cardinal, but in his short reign at the helm of Peter’s Barque. Such an assertion even implicates Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI who has publicly pledged his obedience to the new pope. Furthermore, Pope Benedict was not forced out of the Vatican, as some seem to allege, but “with full freedom” resigned, leaving the seat of Peter vacant due to poor health (unless one wants to assert that Benedict is a liar).

    The moral gravity of your books are due to the fact that it is a baseless defamation of Francis’ character that lacks all prudence and respect owed to the successor of St. Peter. Concerning Pope Francis, the facts point to a man thoroughly embued with the spirit of the Gospel and committed to protecting the Faith. Consider his words in this recent homily:
    …faith is not negotiable. Among the People of God this temptation has always existed: to downsize faith, and not even by “much”. However “faith”, [Pope Francis] explained, “is like this, as we say in the APOSTLES CREED” each and every Sunday, so we must must get the better of “the temptation to behave more or less ‘like everyone else’, not to be too, too rigid”, because it is “from this that a path which ends in apostasy unfolds”. Indeed, “when we begin to cut faith down, to negotiate faith and more or less to sell it to the one who makes the best offer, we are setting out on the road of apostasy, of no fidelity to the Lord”. —Mass at Sanctae Marthae, April 7th, 2013; L’osservatore Romano, April 13th, 2013

    This sounds, rather, like a pope ready to lay down his life for the flock. Let it be said Cris:

    God can reveal the future to his prophets or to other saints. Still, a sound Christian attitude consists in putting oneself confidently into the hands of Providence for whatever concerns the future, and giving up all unhealthy curiosity about it. —Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 2115

    Time to give up on this profitably corrupt course Cris and fall back on your knees in prayer and fasting. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit with your constant heretical speculation about His Church. Any single member of the Church can be a betrayer as a modern day Judas Iscariot, yet the Gates of Hell will never prevail against the Holy Roman Catholic Church! You have Yeshua’s Word on it!!! BibleProvenTrue. c o m

    • James says:

      Joseph,Joseph, Joseph…Please save us this dribble. The Roman Catholic Church is one of the most corrupt business models in history. When they were controlling most things, I believe it was called the Dark Ages. It appears that when the Tribulation comes they will be in the mix, which will be the most horrible time in human history. Religion is mentioned one time in the scriptures as good in the book of James. Religion is man trying to reach up to God. Salvation is God reaching down to man. Jesus is explaining this reaching down with Peter as an example. Jesus is building his Church. It is Relationship not Religion. In 2 Peter the scriptures written by Peter tell us to listen to Paul. The Risen Savior chose Paul as the Apostle of this Age. Jesus said that “the traditions of men make void the word of God”. I wish I had a dollar for everytime I have heard Catholics mention tradition. Tradition over the Word. It doesn’t matter what the Word says, tradition says “THIS”. I noticed you never addressed my last response about Miriam’s name. It seems you used part of the same reference as me, but you left off the part about her name might mean “Rebellion”. We are all Rebels and we need the Savior, even Mary. If my memory serves me correctly the last words Mary spoke in scripture are “Do whatever Jesus tells you”. Tradition has it that she was assumed into Heaven, no scripture just tradition. Again just because there are approx 1.3 billion followers doesn’t make Catholicism correct. Jesus said “Narrow is the way and few there be that find it”. Joseph this is the short version, believe me. One more thought, there is nothing wrong with Pope Francis washing feet in Prison, but maybe the next time leave the photographers and cameramen outside. Nothing like patting yourself on the back as you pursue good works. If you are Born from Above, you are the Body of Christ, and that doesn’t have a religion attached. That is Relationship…Jesus is soon to come…James

      • James, James, James. The Holy Bible speaks for itself. Simon thou art Peter Petros Rock and on this Rock I will build my Church and the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it and to you Petros Rock Peter I give the Keys to the Kingdom…Peter, Do you love me…feed my sheep…Petros Rock Peter do you love me…feed my lambs…Peter rock do you love me feed my sheep…some day they will take you where you do not want to go they will stretch out your hands…predicting the type of death which Peter Petros Rock will glorify the Lord by…Peter was hanged upside down since he did not feel worthy to die as his Lord Yeshua. Peter according to history..>>> Constantine’s writings, tradition…other writings…archeology…books…etc. is buried under the Vatican under Saint Peter’s Basilica…first there was a well honored grave site with markers flowers mementos etc. then a chapel then a church then St. Peter’s Basilica which the Capital of the US could easily fit inside. The largest physical church in the world… Yes James, there are Billions of Christians who are alive and have lived…but sadly perhaps only millions who have been Born Again as required by Yeshua. So the road to destruction is wide and many will follow it since all sinners are already doomed by sin, while the road to salvation is narrow and few will find it since one can only enter into Heaven by ONE DOOR which is Jesus Yeshua our Lord. Mary was the “Women” promised in Genesis 3:15 and thus Jesus said several times in the Gospels, “Women” Mary has brought millions to her Son Jesus via Guadalupe, Fatima etc. In Mexico they practiced human sacrifice then suddenly millions left the pagan gods and followed Jesus! By the fruits you will know them and the Our Lady Of Guadalupe miracle is very similar to the miracle of the Shroud of Turin in that it is totally miraculous. BibleProvenTrue dot com

        • James says:

          Joseph…Just a couple more thoughts. You might have to dig deep to try and defend against these points!!! Several years ago, my wife and I stopped giving to a ministry that we had been giving to for several years. The reason was there was a photo of Pope John Paul kissing the Koran. I e-mailed the ministry and never heard back, but yet they continued to sing his praises and the movement of different denominations toward Catholicism. I have had a chance to look at the forwarded article from earlier. Looks as if both John Paul and Francis are two peas in a pod? The Koran states by my understanding that God has No Son. Yet, Here is John Paul kissing the Koran, and Pope Francis falling all over the Muslim Leaders with the talk of we worship the same God. The Dome of the Rock has inscribed I believe the same phrase “God has No Son” They don’t believe in a Triune God..etc. etc. They believe when the Mahdi returns Jesus will come back and repent and call for all to convert to Islam. They believe that my Savior will be the Madhi’s Lackey. They need Jesus not some P.C. Wycliffe Bible Translators if I am correct struck the Son out of the scriptures, because they didn’t want to offend the Muslims. Joseph, Please don’t try to tell Blood Bought People who are the Body of Christ that we worship the same God. I might like my medicine Generic, but not my God, who sent his Only Son. You claim the name of Christ, you can try to wiggle, but you have No Defense…Jesus is soon to come, James

          • James, James, James. PURE POPPYCOCK! Everyone is slow to learn. Since the beginning of time people die and a new generation has to be taught the TRUTH. I have distributed that picture as a Watchman on the wall for years and complained directly to the Pope Himself about it. Go to my website and see the picture on page VI which covers islam. I do not think you will ever see that mistake again from the Vatican. Remember mistakes are a part of life and only from the Chair of Peter does the Church claim infalibility. The Pope himself even has to go to confession which is given by Jesus in John chapter 20. The first time the Holy Spirit was given to the Church. WhOOOOOOOO Jesus breathed on them and said receive the Holy Spirit. Those sins you forgive they are remited taken away… BibleProvenTrue d o t c o m (They claim he thought it was a lectionary which they always kiss when they read from it since it contains Holy Scripture from the Bible)

          • James says:

            Joseph…I have reached the point of being speechless. Jesus will set you free of all that legalist tradition, but I did notice you never addressed Francis nor the article. Even So Come World Religion..James

          • James, James, James. The Bishop Of Rome & I do not have to address your sillyness! With comet ISON coming at the end of this year and into 2014 (ISON=SION) and Tetrad/Blood Moons/ Solar eclipses happening on Passover 2014 & Tabenacles & Passover 2015 & Rosh Hashanah (This last happened in 1948 & 1967 respectively>Birth of Israel & recapture of Jerusalem) it is all too obvious that we will be goin up in the Rapture. Jesus tells us in the Gospel that these are the signs/signals and He tells us when all will be accomplished in answer to the Apostles question of when will He set up His Kingdom…??? Jesus said that the generation would “NOT PASS AWAY” until everything happened. Generation=70-80Yrs, “then we fly away” according to Psalm 90. So, 1948 +80=2028-7Yrs Tribulation and that means the Rapture can happen NOW or by 2021. With the Middle East about to enter Armageddon or at least I should not exagerate and say Isaiah 17 war DAM-AS-Cus destroyed Ezekiel 38 war it seems that these Tetrad Blood Moons/Solar eclipses signal R A P I E M U R >Latin vulgate for “Caught Up” HARPAZO >Greek for “Caught Up” (Ekklesia>Church>means”Called Out Group”)found in 1Thes 4:17 & 1Cor 15:50 & John 14:1-3 & Luke 21:36 & Mat 21:34-36 & Malachi 3:17 & Isaiah 26:19-21 & Rev 3:8-10 & Philippians 3:20-21 & John 11:25-26 & etc. etc. etc.

  25. Cris & Friends, come on in!

    Hebrews 10:19-22 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

    Not long ago, I went to see a life-size replica of the tabernacle in the Negev desert, a couple hours from where I giving a talk. It was really fascinating. As I went into the Holy of Holies, the guide shared something I never heard before.

    According to Jewish tradition, even to this day, when a son dies, his father tears his shirt as a sign of his agony and mourning. You can see this at traditional Jewish funerals worldwide.

    Years ago, right when His Son Yeshua (Jesus) died, His Father tore His veil. It is because of His great mercy toward us, that He allowed His Son to die for our redemption. And the tearing of that veil allows us to enter the Holy of Holies and fellowship with Him.

    Cris & Friends, today, we can come to the throne boldly — not because of anything we’ve done –but because of God’s wonderful compassion. Let’s enter the Holy place with the Lord today — worship Him and thank Him, boldly make our requests known and expect Him to do great and mighty things!

    Your Friend In The Hearts of Jesus & Mary,

    +Joseph

    • James says:

      Joseph…Without a doubt many of us on this site are well read. I saw the Mark Biltz videos literally the day they became available (5 years ago?). I am answering your previous post on this link just to clarify. I will say and it became obvious from the first post I ever read of yours. You are very knowledgeable. It is obvious that we have studied much of the same material. All I am saying to you is that “Whom the Son sets free, is free indeed”. I don’t care if it is Catholic, Baptist or Methodist etc. The basic structure is the same be it Catholicism or Judaism of Jesus day. It is a man made structure. The Body of Christ during this dispensation was a Mystery revealed only to Paul. As you well know he is the Apostle to the Gentiles during this age. Another of those Mysteries is the Catching Away of the Body until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. Then the Lord will use his anvil Israel on an unbelieving world as we see in Daniel 9:24-27. My point is how many traditions do you need to add to the Gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ? That is similar to saying how many works must I do, is it the right works, and can I know and will I ever do enough? I graduated from a Catholic college. I dated a girl who hated the Apostle Paul that should have told me something, but at that time I was as spiritually dead as a telephone pole. She told me the nuns where she had gone to school told her just wear this medal that we are giving you, and no matter what sin you commit, if you were to die you would go to Heaven. How many dead Muslims have 72 virgin wives? Joseph, See what you get when you get out of the Book? It is the finished work of the Cross and that Empty Tomb. I say this to people often, life’s only question is, What will you do with that dead Jew who got up and walked out of that Tomb? That is Life’s Only Question!!! Jesus is soon to come, James

      • James, James, James. You have it! But you still lack the Church established by Christ! Jesus said there are many not of this fold He must pray for as well>>>The Holy Roman Catholic Church was the ONLY Church for more than a thousand years! This is where the Holy Bible was put together>St. Jerome! Evil has been in man since the fall and man is a horrible sinner and hence the Protestant church has also killed Jews, Catholics, Heretics also throughout history. It only make sense that Satan would attack the Church Christ established and Jesus promised this would happen!
        This is the work of the Father, to believe on His Son and if you believe, then obey all His commands! John 6:66 “Many of the disciples left Him and no longer went with Him. They refused to believe in the Catholic Communion-The Jews partake of the lamb on Passover & so do Catholics in the New Covenant established by Yeshua in His Blood.” The Catholic Church has been an amazing tool for the Holy Spirit to this very day! Millions have come to the knowledge of the TRUTH and have been saved! You and Cris are in a definite minority. I just read a paper going around the internet about how evil the Catholic Church is and they quoted several times Cris and his book. How sad to be a part of spreading confusion for the devil albeit an unwilling pawn! It is sooooo easy for James and Cris to point out the many specks in the Church’s eye. But what about that plank??? Be Rapture ready!!!
        Pope John Paul II Admonished Stephen Hawking & Now!?>Big Bang Without God? (To a $1000 ticket packed audience!)

        http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/17/17797756-stephen-hawking-lays-out-case-for-big-bang-without-god?lite

        • James says:

          Joseph…You don’t need the Catholic Church, the Baptist Church etc…You are the Church…THE BODY OF CHRIST revealed to only Paul during this Dispensation. In the Book of Acts, which is a transition book, the Lord changed the direction through Paul. There is only one Baptism, and unless you are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, you are not a member. Admission is by believing the Gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 I find this site to be very good doctrine.org Keep Looking Up, James

          • James, James, James. This is exactly what the Holy Roman Catholic Church says! Anyone who accepts Jesus is part of the Church. You are all Catholic which means Universal Church. Although you are a separated brother you are still part of the Church. Jesus prayed for those not of this flock in the Gospel. I do not know how anyone can read the Gospel and not listen to what Jesus says. Thous art rock(Petros Peter) and on this rock I will build my church…and to you Peter Rcok Petros I give the keys to the Kingdom…Peter is buried under the Vatican, Saint Peter’s … The Catholic Church is proven the True Church that Jesus established. Take just one of the Church’s teachings…”Humanae Vitae” for example, and you can see TRUTH written all over it! If the people in the Church had listened to it the entire world would not be facing the wrath of God. No time to get into the details except to leave you with common sense. Millions of Christians are having abortions and this as well as Gay marriage is an OBAMA Nation! Abortion is merely, to these backsliding Christians, just another type of contraception when the other methods fail! There is a gravely evil mindset found here, against the Catholic Church teachings which protestants have all laughed at since the very beginning when Pope Paul VI delivered his teachings to the entire world. Abortion is NO different than the god of moloch in the Bible, except for the fact that the baby is killed immediately after birth. Now they do it earlier and even just before birth and in many cases, as we are seeing in these revelations from the infamous abortion murder trial going on, babies are being killed even after abortions! In the god of moloch temple practices they would put the baby into the mouth of moloch and a fire behind would burn it up, sacrifice it to the gods. God judged Israel for this severely. As Billy Graham said so poignantly, “If God does not judge America, He will have to apologize to Sodom & Gomorrah”. Personaly, I have been married nearly 20 yrs and have three gifted children that have become the greatest blessings of my life. My wife and I followed the Catholic Church teachings, not using any artificial contraception, and instead avoiding the fertile times and this has greatly strengthened our marriage. To this day, after a period of abstinence, which does make the heart grow fonder, we feel like it is our honeymoon all over again. Sex is cherished and still full of wonder! The wife is seen as a great gift from God. This can only come about by following the Catholic Church teachings. Today everyone wants it now with no sacrifice and I believe many great blessings are lost due to spiritual laziness. Birthrates are falling, divorce is through the roof, as well as STDs, parent-less children are growing up and filling our prisons to capacity etc. etc. etc. Jesus commanded us to follow all his teachings! He has established the Catholic Universal Church and if Martin Luther had been patient and worked on building through prayer, an opposition to the evil men who were trying to take over the Church, as gays are doing today filling the ranks of the priesthood, history would have been much better for the Church. The devil knows a house divided cannot stand. Look at Saint Francis of Assisi. He saw the corruption in the Church, as men are corrupt, (they always bring in corruption we must fight) and he began a grass roots movement to change the Church and bring it back toward holiness. Saint Francis was no mamby pamby as the world would have us believe with garden statues and birds on the shoulder. Saint Francis was a brave bold man of faith. He even traveled to the Middle East and at risk of his life and went face to face with the muslim Saladin! So you see, if you really follow Jesus, (including John 6:1-65, to avoid John 6:66) then you would obey all His Commands and be more in Communion with the Catholic Church. Division is a work of the Devil and I am not advocating a one world religion. It is obvious that Christians should be ONE just as Jesus prayed in the Gospel over and over, because He knows all and knows that unity in the Church is so very important to overcome Satan and his evil plans. If we are following the Holy Scriptures then a one world religion is impossible and we should as Christians not avoid unity in fear of the future. A one world religion for the follower of Christ is impossible, since as followers of Jesus we could never allow the heresy of false religions to be a part of the Church. (Have no fellowship with unbelievers as we believe in Jesus, born of a virgin, crucified, died for our sins and Risen again) The one world govt. & religion will happen after the Rapture which is certain to come very soon. Maranatha Lord Yeshua!!!

        • James says:

          Joseph..I appreciate your response, but I just saw an article where Pope Francis calls for a dialogue between the Catholic Church and Islam. My understanding is that eight times in the Koran it states, and not in very good terms, about God doesn’t have a Son. Anyone who denies the Son is Anti-Christ. You state Martin Luther should have prayed more. Why doesn’t the Pope call for the conversion of Islam by fasting and prayer? Dialogue isn’t going to get it, and you know it. Jesus is soon to come, James

          • James wrote: Why doesn’t the Pope call for the conversion of Islam by fasting and prayer?

            James James, James, James. The Pope does call for prayer & fasting. Especially every Holy Week Catholics pray & fast for those who do not believe in God as well as those who do not believe in Jesus as Lord & Savior.. We pray also for the Jew that the veil be lifted. Many Jews & muslims are coming to Christ by the thousands! In Iran it is the people who would have religious freedom but the govt. is in the stronghold of Satan. Look what happened the last time the people rebelled against the govt. in Iran with no support whatsoever from this OBAMA NATION. He just lifted up the corrupt govt. instead as the legitimate govt. of Iran! Insane!

        • James says:

          Joseph..One more thought just crossed my mind. It was there this morning, but maybe a little clearer now. If the Pope were to call for fasting and prayer for the conversion of Islam. Cris and Tom truly would be in the prophetic circle, because all that fire and brimstone would rain down on “Rome” and the Pope really would trample over the dead bodies. You think there might be a Jihad. Also in some ways aren’t Islam and Catholicism joined at the hip. Like Fatima and the use of rosary beads in both religions? Jesus is soon to come, James

          • James also wrote: fire and brimstone would rain down on “Rome” and the Pope really would trample over the dead bodies. You think there might be a Jihad. Also in some ways aren’t Islam and Catholicism joined at the hip. Like Fatima and the use of rosary beads in both religions?

            James, James, James, James, James. I believe before any fire and brimstones fall the Rapture will occur. That would not be Jihad but Wrath and the Church=Ekklesia=”Called out Group” is not appointed to God’s Wrath. Islam & the Catholic Faith is as different as any could be! We have a history of praying against islamic armies and having them miraculously turned back by God. Several Catholic Nun Saints have held up the Monstrance containing the Body Of Christ and suddenly invading muslim armies stopped dead in their tracks and turned back in retreat. This is also witnessed as having happened in the 1948 Israeli War of Independence. Fatima is merely the name of the city in which Mary appeared. This is because the muslims had conquered these lands for long periods of history and to this day a muslim influence remains in the culture. The name “Fatima” is a great tool however to witness to muslims since they know that name so well. This may have been Mary’s prayer also to save the lost. Beads are common in many cultures. India, Indians etc. Rosary beads merely help you find your place on the long meditation of the Life of Jesus. 1.)Annunciation of the Birth of Jesus 2) Visitation to Elizabeth who proclaims Mary with the child who is the Savior in her womb 3) Birth of Jesus 4) Presentation in the Temple of Jesus 5) Finding of the boy Jesus teaching in the Temple 6)Baptism of Jesus 7) The Wedding Feast at Cana 8) Announcement of the Kingdom by Jesus 9) The Transfiguration of Jesus with Peter, James & John looking on and Moses & Elijah appearing next to Jesus 10) Institution of the Last Supper Holy Communion 11)Jesus’ Agony in the Garden of Gethsemane meaning wine press 12) The Scourging at The Pillar 13) The Crowning With Thorns-thorns were part of the curse of Adam 14) The Carrying of the Cross-we must carry our own cross instrument of suffering & torture and follow Jesus as he commanded us without looking back 15) The Crucifixion-we must add to what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ-our own suffering is sure to come in this life if only in the aging process. But certainly in the mission field. I have been attacked by wild dogs and even held by crazy police wearing riot gear until I could communicate that I was only a missionary in a foreign land and be allowed to leave. Life is just chock full of misery if you live for Christ. Jesus promises this! If they persecute me they will persecute you also… 16) The Resurrection Of Jesus 17) The Ascension of Jesus 18) The Descent of The Holy Spirit Upon Mary and the Disciples etc…

        • James says:

          Joseph…My last response, What is your take on most of Galatians Chapter 2?…Now if “black ink on white paper” means anything as my Ole Pastor used to say “that says a mouth full”. Why did Jesus only have dealings with 2 Gentiles in scripture? Why is Jesus called in scripture the administrator of the circumcision, and in this area of scripture it says somewhat the same of Peter, and as Paul was to be to the uncircumcised? Who is the circumcised? Who is the uncircumcised? No offense, but for a time Peter was the Leader of the Jerusalem Church, which was made up of Jews. Constantine and his Mother could live a thousand life times and it will not change one iota of scripture. Scripture makes it clear as time went on Peter was no longer the Leader. You must look at scripture and not Catholic dogma. Paul carried a slightly different message to the Gentiles. In this 2nd Chapter Paul also straightens Peter out. The Jews failed in their call (short version), and the Lord picked Paul (a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin to carry the message to Jew and Gentile, but he was the Apostle to the Gentiles). Because in this dispensation mostly Gentiles are receiving the message of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 . That is the Gospel, and if you are in the Body of Christ, you aren’t isolated or separated from the Church. You are the Church. Keep Looking Up, James

          • James, Paul went to Peter and was even healed. Why didn’t Paul just go about his mission to the gentiles in that case. Why was he especially concerned with Peter? Peter had a dream and was taught by the Holy Spirit the TRUTH concerning this teaching. Peter was always and is still considered the leader on Earth, The Rock upon which Jesus would build His Church. Jesus told His Church in the Gospel, the manner in which Peter would die and reaffirmed his position with those three questions. Peter do you love me? Feed my sheep, lambs, sheep. It is hardly just Constantine who wrote about Peter. There is much historical/archaeological evidence for this fact. Saint Peter’s/The Vatican rests on-top of Peter/Petros/Rock. Peter as Jesus said, Has The Keys Of The Kingdom! James, why do you think Jesus prayed for those not of this flock??? Why did Jesus pray over and over again that they may be one even as Jesus and the Father are one??? The fact is James, we are separated and have been for the last few centuries. Just like a marriage, disobedient to the vow, the Church has refused to follow Jesus command that we be one! Leaving The One Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church was NOT the answer. Change from within was. Now we have had the gays infiltrate and try to destroy the Catholic Church, BUT the Gates of Hell will NOT prevail against it. It is a sign of The Times and you are correct James! Keep looking up, The Rapture is much much closer than when we first believed!!!

        • James says:

          Joseph…Keep Looking Up..Our Redemption draws neigh…James

    • James says:

      Joseph, Have you had an opportunity to listen to the current interview with Tom Horn and Cris on Trunews with Rick Wiles? If you have, do you have any reply? Jesus is soon to come, James

      • Yes James, its the same pretty much as ITSSSS SSSSUPERNATURAL!!! with Sid Roth. Just a great promo for a book written to make money. All I can say is I have known many in the Vatican for many years and they would not waste even a laugh on this stuff. They are Pure Bible believing scripture scholars and would never accept anything other than Jesus God manifest in the flesh, died for our sins upon the cross and He is Risen again. Salvation only through Yeshua. There are many kooks I have met in many faiths and what can you say about it other than the road to destruction is wide… I believe many including Pope Francis I will be gone soon in the Rapiemur of the Ekklesia then evil forces may want to take a Seat at St. Peter’s throne. Even Hitler had written plans to kill the Pope and put in his own puppet pope. Hitler was a small “a” antichrist and his plans give us an indication of what satan is planning. The thought of changing the catechism is ludicrous Cris. But after the rapture all bets are off. I have written about this same exact stuff on my web site two years ago. It is still there under page II on the topic The Great Delusion after the Rapture. Cris has read it. It is found at BibleProvenTrue. c

    • Christy Marsh says:

      Marian veneration is one of my big problems with the Roman Church. Now, don’t get me wrong. Mary was indeed a blessed woman, but co-redemptrix with Jesus Christ? Just how exactly is that NOT blasphemy? How does anyone even think that humble woman in the stable would be pleased by this? To quote Cris, “Frankly, it makes us want to vomit.” And “Queen of Heaven”?. Don’t even get me started. Just go read Jeremiah. And don’t say it’s okay because we sanctified it, because my Bible says that only God can sanctify through Jesus Christ.

      • James says:

        Christy, It’s not like you need my help, but if I might take a few moments and relate a story which was told to me in the last few years. I have some friends whom the Lord saved about 40 years ago. They literally gave or sold everything at that time and have lived a Faith based ministry ever since. They travel the world sharing the Good News. The two countries which they go to often are Israel and India. Several years ago Bob and Peggy were in India and they had the opportunity to meet Mother Theresa. This is the story which was told to me and after Mother Theresa died, I reflect on It often. There at the Convent they were witnesses to a tree which grew in the courtyard, where all the sisters tied their prayer requests to the limbs for the Mother Mary to answer. After they were introduced Mother Theresa started walking away and Peggy followed her, and she kept asking Mother Theresa, “If Jesus is the only way”? Peggy told me she followed her a good many steps asking about Jesus, and that finally Mother Theresa turned around and said “No, It’s only through Mary”. It became public record after her death that she felt that for over 50 years her prayers were never answered, that they never got higher than the ceiling. You can have a million “good works”, but unless you believe in “THE WORK”…. 1 Corinthians 15 1-4 then it is all useless…God Bless, James

        • Christy Marsh says:

          Interesting. I live in New Orleans, which is some 75% Roman Catholic, so I frequently get smacked in the face with Roman paganism. My poor father thought I had gone completely over to the dark side when I moved here of all places, despite all his many warnings about the evils of the Roman church. I don’t guess either one of us suspected at the time that it would come to be a sort of ministry for me speak the truth in this place. It is sometimes hard and I think I should just be quiet. Then I think about all that my Huguenot ancestors in France and my Lutheran ancestors in Germany went through just to be able to follow the Lord in truth and I know that I will continue to speak.

        • The stench of their pride (J & C.M.) reaches unto the Heavens! What nonsense! Mother always said Jesus is the only way to salvation. Mary prays for us to get there and is the second Eve as scripture tells us. I met Mother Teresa at Saint Thomas Aquinas college in Ojai.

          • James says:

            Jesus said “that the traditions of men make void the word of God”…What kind of stench does J and CM have? I graduated from a Catholic college. I truly feel for the lost condition of most Catholics. Let it be known this day. You do not go to Heaven because you are Catholic, Baptist, Methodist or etc. etc. You must be born again. It is a relationship, not a religion

  26. David Kaas says:

    Dear Cris and crew,
    There is a very informative video now on the YouTube called “The greatest story NEVER told” (at) http://youtu.be/vzdqRY3zNIY This film describes Adolf Hilter’s early years of life starting with his birth in April 20, 1889 in the town of Braunau Austria to his parents Alois and Klara Hitler. It seems that his father Alois was the illegitimate son of the famous Rothchild family, that has printed the money for close to ALL countries to this day. This video traces his life and his final notice within the Nazi party, but it isn’t what we were all taught. I have always wondered why the Japanese would come into WWII and how the crowd pictures of civilians and military cheering, could have given their lives to support this one man’s ideas ? Within this video presentation you will learn the reasons for their unwavering support. You will also learn of why the USA’s support of the Russians peoples at a time when Stalin had literally starved his own country to death? This video is worth it’s weight in every sense of the word, for clearing-up the mis-representational history of this very unique individual the way we have all learned it, and what actually happened at this time in history. All of this biblical bull-hockey is meaningless to anyone who hasn’t even gotten the truth concerning their own recent past. This is why I recommend watching this video, so as to educate yourselves before being lead astray once again by this mumble jumble that has invaded not only this site but our entire lives to date. Thank you all for your participation in this existence now.

  27. Charles Tomashek says:

    Thank You! I was very happy to see the title of this blog with the information:

    Petrus Romanus Arrives on 3/13/2013 at 20:13 Hours!

    I was wondering what time it was, as some others had said 7:06 pm. I like the 20:13 much better because of all the 13′s. Pope Francis was also Ordained a Jesuit Priest on December 13, 1969. The 13 is quite important in Catholic Marian apparitions during this last Century 1917-to- 2017 before Jesus Christ’s return. The 13th day of the month is very special to the Blessed Virgin Mary, and in the Old Testament, you will remember the 13th day of Adar was quite important in the End-Times Prophetic Book of Esther. (Chamberlain Mordecai = Pope Francis, Queen Esther = The Blessed Virgin Mary, Haman = Antichrist, the 50 Cubit Gallows = Holy Rosary, and in an imperfect comparison, King Ahasuerus the King of Persia represents the role of Jesus Christ) God hinted at this prophetic book in 4 signs during 2012, starting with the Gift Obama received from Benjamin Netanyahu on the Jewish Feast of Purim. By the way the last three Jubilee years of the Lord are 1917, 1967 and 2017!

  28. johnbuu says:

    Be focus, people out there saying St. Malachy’s Prophecy is wrong, well, I regret to say that those people do not have a strong faith. If on that date, a new pope would have chosen the name of Peter, then this whole world would go home and sell all of their asset and repent. God does not perform His work that way!!! sorry people…hence, this is has to do with Faith…..Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Almighty Lord, He is the Righteous, Light and Life. He must have His own reason to choose Saint Malachy and had strucked him with 112 Popes. If 111 had not been mistaken then you all should give the world reason why would the last one?? If St. Malachy is wrong, then The Lord Jesus Christ had been wrong that had given The Saint the wrong vision ( Faith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)…Please refer back to the book of Revelation and read from the first chapter to the End and ask the Holy Spirit to lead you the way!!
    and I quote ” The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.”

    Think of Francis de Assisi…( hence, this saint is not the beast)
    Once He was.
    then He was not.
    Now he is…

    meaning the name that was in fame, then he died, now His name is mentioned….
    Think of the conversation that was heard by Pope Leo 13th ……
    bottom line is. My Lord is precise when He chosen Saint Malachy …..I firmly believe Pope Francis is the one NO DOUBT…….

  29. Curtis says:

    I do trust all of the ideas you have offered in your post.
    They’re very convincing and will definitely work. Nonetheless, the posts are very brief for newbies. May just you please prolong them a little from next time? Thanks for the post.

  30. Charles Tomashek says:

    A couple of things have been on my mind since the final canonically elected pope [Francis] was elected. The 8 or so 13′s connected to his election and the numbers of Jesus [ 8 and 33 ] when he came back out on the Balcony at 8:33 to thank the people who had prayed for his election. The 13′s first showed up relative to this Papal election the 6 times the Virgin Mary visited Fatima Portugal in 1917. These 6 visits were NOT a social call but rather a warning from Heaven about the SIN of mankind and it’s results. These 13′s are not Mary’s identifying number [her number is the number of Grace: 5, 15, 555, 5+5+5, 153 and 1531, so if this does not identify the Blessed Virgin why did she choose the number 13? I believe it was to point to 2013! [also Leviticus 20:13?] This is the last year for the first three beasts of Daniel 7, and after the Tornado in Oklahoma, there are just 114 days left [11 and 4]. There is an intervening date 44 days after Oklahoma, which is 7-3 [no doubt to remind us of America's biggest sin: Abortion made legal in 1973] then 70 days later we have the twelfth anniversary of 9-11 [the last, midnight, the end. I think after the one hour of war the false prophet and antichrist will show up. the Midpoint of Tribulation April 13, 2014 [Palm Sunday-East and West] will see his coronation. I don’t see Petrus Romanus [Francis] as being anything but a Good Chamberlain of Christ because I can read and the prophecy. It reads such that I don’t understand how evil can be read into it, unless you have chosen to embrace some blinding sin like we have witnessed in Obama’s supporters.

    Then there is the prophecy instigated by Jesus Christ Himself,
    of this final pope/chamberlain Francis “Peter” in John 21:

    So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore
    full of one hundred fifty-three large fish.
    Even though there were so many, the net was not torn.
    Jesus said to them, “Come, have breakfast.”

    Peter does the dragging because it’s his responsibility as the first chamberlain appointed by Jesus to look after His sheep. As Christ’s chamberlain, Peter prefigures Pope Francis. The word ashore indicates this is a prophecy of the Final Pope guiding the entire faithful church across the finish line as the sun rises at the end of the dark night of Tribulation. The net full of 153 fish here symbolizes the Church (fish) being formed by the Holy Spirit working through Mary (153) in preparation for Jesus Christ’s return, and the fact that the fish are large symbolizes the mature, ( though downsized through the shedding of apostates), holy, faithful, End-Times Church with their garments washed clean in the Blood of the Lamb. The so many, the net is not torn phrase indicates that the many current Christian denominations will be reunited as One. When Jesus says: Come, have breakfast, He is asking them to share a meal, which symbolizes the Eucharistic meal/sacrifice, a reminder of the Last Supper and the most important doctrine which separates the denominations of the church.

  31. Christy Marsh says:

    I sent Cris an email a few days ago, thanking him for being a brave Christian. He has researched almost the very same things I have been researching for 10 years. And you don’t need any prophesy to figure this out if you have a command of scripture and working knowledge of history. A couple of times, he mentioned that Innocent III (one of the most purely evil men the world has ever known, IMHO) slaughtered more Christians in one day than any Roman emperor. The reference is to the siege of Beziers, the opening battle of the Albigensian crusade. At the onset, the people of the city had been asked to surrender the some 200 Cathars within their walls. They refused. When asked by a commander how they were to tell a Cathar from a Catholic, papal legate, Arnaud Aumery, replied “Kill them all. God will know his own.” And so they did. Some 20,000 souls were hacked to pieces in one day, the vast majority of whom were themselves Catholic. Every man, woman, child and babe at the breast in the city. This siege was the start of an extirpation that lasted for two generations. Death estimates for the crusade drun as high as 1 million for the duration of the war. But that was not enough. At the close of the war, the Roman church founded the Medieval Inquisition for the sole purpose of murdering every last living Cathar.

    When I began to study the Albigensian Crusade, it did not take me very long to figure out who the bad guys were. My point is this: You do not get to go around murdering, thieving, and fornicating in the name of Our Lord, Jesus Christ and expect to get away with it. The Roman church is truly the only church of who it can be said, “her sins are mounted up to heaven and the blood of the martyrs is on her hands.”

    • Wake Up! (Romans 3:11) The muslims (not the Catholics who have taught you the faith) have done so much evil. In Turkey they are still turning churches into evil muslim shrines. They have robed raped pillaged and murdered millions more even than Hitler. Study your history. Ergroden wants to make it seem that history shines a favorable light on muslims. Europe deserves what they get since it was the Catholic Church that fought off these marauding muslims from destroying all of Europe. Now all the churches are becoming mosques. There will be blood in the streets wherever the followers of moehamMAD congregate. Protestants although small in number have had their share in bllodshed as I recall. Take England for example etc. Catholics were murdered and millions in Church property stolen. etc. etc. etc.

      • Christy Marsh says:

        The church of Mohamed is no more the harlot from Revelation than is Budhism, Hinduism or any other ism you care to mention. The imagery of the harlot is centered around infidelity and fornication. The bride has deserted her groom for the world. None of the various ism’s can be the harlot, because they were never His. And I am certainly not trying to shine any light on the Muslim religion. It is a terrible thing, but it isn’t the harlot. As for history, I am well versed. Perhaps more so than you. Or did you know that the regalia that your pope wears is actually the regalia of the high priest of the Mythraic Mysteries?

        • James says:

          Christy Marsh, I sure wish Joseph Michael were still around so you could help set him straight!!! God Bless, James

          • Christy Marsh says:

            Unfortunately, there are many who will never see the truth.

          • James, I have to use different names & emails to avoid screening & blocking. I like to see my reply immediately rather than wait for approvals. 8-) I tell you I just don’t get any respect anymore. Even Facebook blocks me all the time for leaving videos comparing Jesus with moehaMAD on hundreds of muSLAM sites all over the world in their langauges. I was really worried when the OBAMANATION said that it was a video that caused the attack on Benghazi, that my name might be mentioned. I stocked up on weapons & ammo just in case.

          • Cris Putnam says:

            James, I have to use different names & emails to avoid screening & blocking. I like to see my reply immediately rather than wait for approvals

            You get blocked for spamming. Maybe if you behaved yourself and obeyed posting rules it wouldn’t be an issue? BTW if you post links it automatically goes to th approval bin no matter what your name or IP might be.

          • Cris Putnam says:

            “And the woman [harlot] that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.”(Re 17:18)

            When John composed Revelation it was at the peak of the Roman empire, Rome was the capital of the known world. So If you care about the inspired author’s intention then it’s Rome hands down. …the rest is noise.

  32. Christy Marsh says:

    Pope Francis showed exactly who he was with his comment the even atheists will go to heaven if they do good works. That is a bald-faced lie and anyone who knows their Bible understands this. “I am the way, the truth and the life. NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME.”

  33. David Kaas says:

    In the Book of Revelation 19:11 the apostle John, saw a vision of a man coming whose name is “Faithful and True” who has a head with many crowns(meaning he has been here before) who speaks to many Nations. This man is referred to as the “Word of God.” Let’s not forget that he treads the “Fierce wine-press of the God Almighty” as well. Many of the frightened masses, people just like our own citizens today, now are saying all sorts of predictions, however none of them have an accurate appraisal of true bible prophecy.
    The exact moment of the “time of tribulation” is now approaching with this next National election in 2016 when this country will be allowed to choose for itself it’s next appointed leader. This event, will mark the turning point for this planet, and not until this is done will there be any real decisions made for the planet Earth. Before this event happens however, we can expect many escalating events to happen, such as the 90 degree flip of the planet, as well as many man-made disasters. To realize that our existences, mean little to our Creator, other than how we continue to exist for the time we are each given in a lifetime. It is better to live now a life of true denial of the filthy customs, in order to show your true belief in the coming-plan of existence, than to sacrifice this option given to you, in order to fill your stomach and pockets with this truly worthless things that will never be forever and ever in time and space. Peace and power be with you all now. The New David

    • Yeshua (Jesus) clearly told us that, “this generation will not PASS AWAY before everything happens”. Yes OUR GENERATION! We can calculate easily from the Bible the EXACT date that Israel was re-born (BibleProvenTrue do c m) May 14th 1948. A generation is 70-80 years, just as it tells us in Psalm 90, and then it says, “then we fly away”. So 1949+80=2028-7yrs(tribulation)=between right NOW and 2021. Plus This Year is Comet ISON(=SION?) Nasa says Comet Ison will be 15X a full moon! Plus next year AND the year after there will be TETRAD Moons on Passover & Sukkot! A similar comet happened as a warning just before the 70AD Diaspora.(So I read in the Vatican Library, according to Josephus) and only recently in 1948 & 1967 the rebirth of Israel(God of Israel=Is real) & recapture of Jerusalem respectively. Be Rapture Ready!!! (1 Thes 4:13-) , (John 14:1-3), 1413=1413 AGAIN, Be Rapture Ready!!! The Rapture is our ONLY ESCAPE!!! >>>
      1 Thes 4:17, 1 Cor 15:50, John 14:1-3, Luke 21:36, Philippians 3:20-21, Rev 3:8-10,
      Mat 21:34-36, Malachi 3:17, Isaiah 26:19-21, 1 Thes 1:10, John 11:25-26,
      Jesus said, “Pray that ye may ESCAPE these things coming upon the world.” Maranatha Lord Yeshua!!!

  34. RW says:

    “Immediately AFTER the tribulation”……”(angels) they will gather together His elect” Matthew 24:29; 31 (NKJV)

    “AFTER that tribulation”…..”and gather together His elect” Mark 13:24; 27 (NKJV)

    “And what I (Jesus) say to you, I say to ALL: Watch!” Mark 13:37 (NKJV)

    There is no secretive, partial return of Jesus coming in the clouds seven years prior to His second coming to quietly rapture away his spoiled rotten American Church. There are no time indicators in scripture suggesting a rapture coming before the tribulation. It occurs at the last trumpet (I Corinthians 15: 51-52) which is the seventh trumpet announcing the second coming of Jesus (Revelation 11:15).

    • SORRY RW, BUT NEVER Will The Church Go Through The Tribulation.

      The Believing Church will not go through the Tribulation. There is a distinct difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming.

      There are many differences RW in these two events as I will show you now here:

      · Rapture: Jesus comes FOR His Church.

      · 2nd Coming: Jesus comes back WITH His Church.

      · Rapture: Jesus waits in the air for His Church.

      · 2nd Coming: Jesus comes to the earth.

      · Rapture: Church removed and unbelievers left behind.

      · 2nd Coming: Unbelievers removed but Tribulation saints left behind.

      · Rapture: He comes to present His bride to the Father.

      · 2nd Coming: He comes to judge and set up His kingdom.

      · Rapture: The marriage of the Lamb in Heaven follows the Rapture.

      · 2nd Coming: The marriage is followed by war on earth.

      · Rapture: It happens in the twinkling of an eye.

      · 2nd Coming: Will be a steady view of His return.

      · Rapture: Only the Church will see Him.

      · 2nd Coming: Every eye will see Him.

      · Rapture: Jesus descends with a shout.

      · 2nd Coming: No shout is mentioned.

      · Rapture: A resurrection takes place.

      · 2nd Coming: No resurrection is mentioned.

      · Rapture: It can happen at any time.

      · 2nd Coming: Can only happen at the end of the Tribulation.

      · Rapture: Angels are not sent. Jesus comes Himself.

      · 2nd Coming: Angels are sent to gather people for judgment.

      · Rapture: Earthly bodies are changed to Heavenly bodies.

      · 2nd Coming: The Church returns with Heavenly bodies.

      · Rapture: Jesus does not return on a white horse.

      · 2nd Coming: Jesus does return on a white horse.

      · Rapture: Jesus’ return is for His Church (His bride).

      · 2nd Coming: Jesus returns for redeemed Israel and Tribulation saints.

      · Rapture: It is a message of hope and comfort.

      · 2nd Coming: It is a message of judgment.

      I’m sure this is not an exhaustive listing, but with it we can see that the Rapture and the Second Coming are not one and the same. Don’t be confused by the “elect” in this verse RW. These are clearly those who have believed the Bible, the 44,000 witnesses & the two witnesses in Jerusalem which God in His Mercy has sent during the Tribulation. It is obvious that millions will come to believe when they see all the prophecies being fulfilled.

      • RW, the seven year period of Tribulation on earth will be a time of God’s wrath on earth like never before. He will judge the nations and through this self-same judgment bring Israel back in faith believing. “For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” (Revelation 6:17) But concerning His bride, the Church, He says, “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.” (1 Thessalonians 1:10) He promised again in Revelation 3:10, “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” (Revelation 3:10)

        Also RW, Revelation chapter four verse one is a clear reference to the Church being raptured. This passage is most definitely referring to the Church being taken up to Heaven via the Rapture.

        “After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things.”

        Note that verse one begins with the word “after” and ends the same. In chapter one of Revelation we see Jesus revealed (revelation) in His glory. In chapters two and three Jesus is speaking to the church. He then transfers the Apostle John to Heaven in chapter four verse one to continue the prophecy. In chapter one, we see the eternal “I Am.” In chapters two and three, we see the present day and age of the church period. Then beginning at chapter four, verse one He immediately takes us past the church age to the future.

        If I go to see a play and there are three acts to the play, I will see one act after the other, not all three at once. Neither do they overlap in any way. If I attend a concert, I will listen to one song after the other, not all at one time. Neither do they overlap in any way. Neither do the church age and the Tribulation period co-exist or overlap in any way. One follows the other. As in a play, Act 1 comes BEFORE Act 2. Act 2 comes AFTER Act 1 and BEFORE Act 3. Act 3 comes AFTER Act 2. The Apostle John is shown the church age, and then he is raptured up to Heaven to see what follows the end of the church age. To me, you just can’t get any clearer than that. After means after.

        Some say that the word “Rapture” is not in the Bible. That is only partly true, plus neither are the words “Bible” or “Trinity” found in the Bible, but they are just as true as the Rapture.

        The word “Rapture” is derived from the Latin translation of “caught up” in

        1 Thessalonians 4:17, “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” The Latin translation uses the word “rapturo,” and this is where the word “rapture” is derived. The Greek word is “harpazo,” and it means:

        1. To seize, carry off by force

        2. To seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly

        3. To snatch out or away

        A few other verses where “harpazo” is used are:

        Acts 8:39, “And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”

        Acts 23:10, “And when there arose a great dissension, the chief captain, fearing lest Paul should have been pulled in pieces of them, commanded the soldiers to go down, and to take him by force from among them, and to bring him into the castle.”

        2 Corinthians 12:2-4, “I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.”

        So there is no doubt RW that Jesus will come in the clouds and eagerly claim His bride the Church for Himself, by seizing her and snatching her away by force to Heaven at the end of the church age. The next act will be the Tribulation, AFTER the Rapture.

        The Tribulation period is a time of intense judgment by God. What groom would beat the living daylights out of his bride and then say, “Okay, now let’s go get married.” It ain’t going to happen.

        Some say that the Church has suffered persecution down through the years, so why would she not suffer during the Tribulation? The reason is quite simple. “Persecution” has come from evil men who carry out the deeds of their father, the Devil. Judgment comes from God. The Tribulation, as I have already stated, is not persecution. It is judgment. God is not going to judge those who He has already promised will be protected from His wrath to come. (See verses above.) Conclusion; the Church will not go through any part whatsoever of the Tribulation. She will be raptured (LT-rapturo), snatched up (GK-harpazo), BEFORE the Tribulation, and the Tribulation will commence AFTER the Rapture.

        • RW, Here is The Granddaddy Of Proofs
          The pretribulation rapture is the only view that allows for the rapture to be imminent in its timing. All the other views require a number of prophetic occurrences to take place before the rapture can be declared imminent. To be looking for the imminent return of Christ, you have to believe in a pre-trib rapture.
          Jesus repeatedly said that His return for the Church would be a surprise. The Lord even went beyond that by saying He would return “as a thief” when believers generally won’t be expecting Him to come for them.
          “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Matthew 24:36).
          “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing” (Matthew 24:42-46 KJV).
          “Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh” (Matthew 25:13).
          “And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power” (Acts 1:7).
          Because we have no way to refute the fact that we will not know the timing of our Lord’s return, the tribulation is a barrier to the rapture. No wonder the late John Walvoord called imminency “the heart of Pretribulationism.”
          This type of “any-moment” language doesn’t fit a post-trib rapture. If Jesus were prevented from coming until after the battle of Magog, the rise of Antichrist, and the Mark of the Beast, we would have no need to watch for Him before the tribulation.
          If the Church were required to go through the seven-year tribulation, you would expect the New Testament writers to have warned us to be prepared for trying times. On the contrary, the New Testament writers repeatedly tell the Church to be comforted by the “coming of the Lord” (1 Thes 4:18). The word “comfort” alone strongly implies the rapture will take place before the tribulation.
          Some anti-imminency folks try to solve the problem they have with the rapture’s any-moment occurrence by redefining it as merely indicating that Christ will return soon. The speed of Christ’s advent is not the issue. If an event is required to take place before the Lord can return, there is no need to remain watchful.
          If a person should make it through the tribulation until the point when the mid-trib, pre-wrath, and post-trib folks expect the rapture to occur, it would then become possible for the rapture to be classified as “imminent.” However, once you solve the problem of imminency, you create another one regarding the restrictions against knowing the timing of the rapture.
          Because the duration of the tribulation is already known, post-tribbers have the hardest time dealing with the rapture’s timing. Some of them have tried to suggest that believers who make it through the tribulation will lazily lose track of the nearness of Christ’s second coming.
          If a Christian has been lucky enough to survive a host of apocalyptic calamities and elude the Antichrist’s secret police for at least 3 1/2 years, I cannot imagine that he would be oblivious to the nearness of the Lord’s return at the 7-year mark. If I were reduced to the point of having to hide in a forest and forage through dead tree bark to find beetles and grubs to sustain myself, I’m certain my every thought would be focused on the Lord’s return.

          • Maranatha
            One the strongest cases one can make for the early Church expecting an imminent return of Christ is to note their use of the word maranatha, which was used as a greeting in those days. When believers gathered or parted, they didn’t say “hello” or “goodbye”; they would say “Maranatha!”
            I’ve encountered some writings that say Maranatha is Hebrew and Greek, but it is actually an Aramaic expression. In fact, it is made up of three Aramaic words: Mar, which means “Lord”; ana, which means “our”; and tha, which means “come.”
            So when you put it together, maranatha means “Our Lord, come.” It perfectly conveys the concept that the Lord could come at any moment. Maranatha is used once in the Bible by Paul as part of a curse. In 1 Corinthians 16:22, Paul said, “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema. Maranatha.” The word “anathema” means “banned,” so Paul was saying, “Let him be banned from our Lord’s coming.”
            The interesting thing about maranatha is that it comes in the form of a petition. When a Christian in the early Church would make this statement, he was actually petitioning the Lord to come. This obviously implies the belief that it was possible for Jesus to answer the appeal.
            If members of the first-century Church believed that certain events needed to take place before the Savior could return, they would have been silly to greet each other with “maranatha.” They lived nearly 2,000 years ago, and yet they seem to have had a deeper awareness of imminency than many of today’s Christians.

          • Here is Scripture Galore RW:
            A host of Scriptures indicate the Church should expect an imminent return of their Lord. The opponents of imminency constantly try to pick apart each individual reference, but they should look at the big picture. An overwhelming number of verses in the Bible support imminency.
            I’ve been able to easily locate 22 passages that imply that the coming of Christ remains an imminent event. All you really need is one verse to prove a point, but the weight of evidence should cause even the most hard-core imminency foes to rethink their stance.
            I seriously doubt any scholar or layman could find 22 passages of Scripture that clearly indicate the tribulation or the rule of the Antichrist is the next imminent event facing the Church.
            “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Mat 24:36).
            Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him” (Mat 25:1-6)
            “Take ye heed, watch and pray; for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the Master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly He find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch” (Mark 13:33-37).
            “Knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light” (Rom 13:11-12).
            “And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly” (Rom 16:20).
            “So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Cor 1:7).
            “For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ” (Phil 3:20).
            “Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand” (Phil 4:5).
            “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come” (1 Thess 1:10).
            “Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober” (1 Thess 5:6).
            “That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Tim 6:14).
            “Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus” (Titus 2:13).
            “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation” (Heb 9:28).
            “Let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the Day approaching” (Heb 10:24-25).
            “For yet a little while, and He that shall come will come, and will not tarry” (Heb 10:37).
            “Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door” (James 5:7-9).
            “Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 1:13).
            “But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer” (1 Peter 4:7).
            “Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life” (Jude 1:21).
            “Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown” (Rev 3:11).
            “Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book” (Rev 22:7).
            “He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus” (Rev 22:20).

          • RW says:

            1] All the Imminency verses you cite apply to the period of time following immediately AFTER the three and a half year tribulation period, not before.

            Paul reassured believers that the Lord’s second coming and our gathering together to Him (The Rapture of living believers which occurs immediately following the dead in Christ rising before them) would only occur AFTER certain events took place. read for yourself:

            2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
            “1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (The Second Coming) “and our gathering together to Him” (The Rapture)
            [The Rapture coincides with the Second Coming; it is a single, simultaneous event]
            2 “that you may not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.”
            [The day of the Lord is the Second Coming]
            3 “Let no one in any way deceive you, for it” (the day of the Lord; i.e., the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture) “will NOT come unless the apostasy comes first, AND the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,”

            These are some of the events which must occur before the return of Jesus. Paul unequivocally makes this point. Many early and medieval Christians often believed in the imminent return of Jesus because they falsely believed they were already IN the tribulation period and would soon come out of it.

            The apostasy must occur and the antichrist revealed before our Lord Jesus returns to gather His elect. Hence, no apostasy and no antichrist means no imminent return of Jesus.

            2] Also, you must cite proof texts that include modifiers which indicate a pretribulational rapture, modifiers such as ‘pre’, ‘before’ or ‘prior’. None of these modifiers exist. Any mention of time in reference to the rapture is almost always juxtaposed with the phrasal expression ‘AFTER the tribulation’ or ‘at the LAST trumpet’, which is the seventh trumpet in the Book of Revelation announcing the Second Coming of Christ.

            Matthew 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27, 37; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52; Revelation 11:15

            3] Jesus does not quietly rapture His “Church-Age” believers followed seven years later by another rapture of “Tribulation-Age” believers at His second coming. Scripture makes it clear that there are only two resurrections, not three. The first resurrection is for believers and occurs AFTER the tribulation when Christ returns to earth to reign for a thousand years. The second resurrection is for the unsaved and occurs after the Millennial Kingdom reign of Jesus. Revelation 20:4-6

          • More Poppycock below & above from R.W.! Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. “ESCAPE” in the Greek is “EKPHUEGO”, and means to be taken out of time & place! Reading your reply R.W., I say read on R.W. and don’t take scripture out of context! Also you fail to note that important word in Greek really means a snatching away first. Read on more and you see that the Holy Spirit, The Restrainer, which is inside us believers, must be taken out of the way first. Thus the man of sin cannot POSSIBLY come on the seen until we are removed in the Rapiemur of the EKKLESIA. Let us just use common sense and imagine the antichrist trying to take over a hundred million Americans with guns. It ain’t gonna happen! Hitler failed miserably and he was even a small “a” antichrist. Yet so many Christians came against him in force and prayer. Those Grandma’s including mine born in 1900, were praying up a storm against Hitler. Why do you think he made so many amazingly stupid mistakes!

  35. RW says:

    ‘Escape” doesn’t do it; ‘before the tribulation’ would do it for me, but you can’t provide it because it isn’t there in scripture, but I can show you where it does read ‘after the tribulation’ in context and in conjunction with the ‘gathering of the elect’, aka ‘the Rapture. The word ‘escape’ does not offer any direct evidence for the dispensational pretribulational rapture doctrine. Believers can escape God’s wrath while remaining on earth. Before they began their exodus, the entire Hebrew nation escaped the wrath of God while the plagues where going on around them in Egypt.

    Once again, show me where the rapture is to occur before Daniel’s 70th week (the 7 year peace treaty) or the 3.5 year tribulation period. Whenever the rapture (gathering of the elect) is mentioned, it is mentioned in conjunction with the Second Coming of Christ and is qualified by the modifier ‘after the tribulation’ or ‘last trumpet’. If the pretrib view was correct, it would be the last trumpet occurring before the first trumpet. That doesn’t make any sense. Scripture explains scripture. The scriptural context and logic demands that if the last trumpet signifies the Rapture as it does in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, and we read that the last trumpet in Revelation is the 7th trumpet which announces the Second Coming of Messiah Jesus (Revelation 11:15), then we are to conclude that the Rapture occurs at the last trumpet which coincides with the Second Coming of Christ. I don’t know how it can be any clearer than that.

    Jesus Himself sets the entire context of His second coming and rapture with the phrasal expression “AFTER the tribulation”….”will gather His elect” (Matthew 24:29-31). Jesus even warns against ANY secret or partial return to planet earth. He plainly warns that His coming will be “as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.” (Matthew 24:27)

    The true view is the ‘Historic Premillennial view’, which states that the Rapture occurs AFTER the tribulation, just as the Gospels recorded it. It is called ‘Historic Premillennialism’ because it is the view that dates back to Papias and Polycarp, who were pupils of the Apostle John, and so many of the other early church leaders and even the apostles themselves, including Paul (2Thessalonians 2:1-4; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52). The view is expressed in scripture and was held by the early church until the Amillennialism of Augustine and the Alexandrian School crept in and began to dominate Christian eschatology.

    The newer 1830, Margaret McDonald, Scofield/Darby pretribulational view is a bogus doctrine. It’s a weak doctrine at best and has no scriptural proof texts. Let’s discard theological systems of thought (dispensationalism or even covenantalism) that doesn’t allow the scriptures to breathe on its own. Let the Bible speak for itself. Sorry, bro, you’ve got no biblical proof for your pop eschatology, Hal Lindsey/Jack Van Impe pretrib rapture tripe; how did you say it? Oh, yes, it’s poppycock.

    • PP RW (Princess Poppycock) Parallels between 1 Thess 4:13- and John 14: 1-3 ( 1413=1413 )

      1 Thess 4:13-17 ~ John 14:1-3
      that ye sorrow not ~ Let not your heart be troubled
      For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again ~ ye believe in God, believe also in me
      For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord ~ if it were not so, I would have told you
      For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven ~ I will come again
      caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air ~ and receive you unto myself
      and so shall we ever be with the Lord. ~ that where I am, there ye may be also. (Where is He PP RW? Answer is “IN MY FATHER’S HOUSE”!!!

      1 Thess 4:13-
      13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
      14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
      15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
      16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
      17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
      18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

      John 14:1-3
      1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
      2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
      3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
      4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

      • PP RW ! Let us carefully dissect what Jesus predicts for the times just ahead! I boldly say with confidence that Jesus has told us the future from this moment forward! I am convinced His words are speaking to this generation at this very hour! Listen to Jesus’ prophesy in the Luke 17:26-30 that in the “days” He, the “Son of man,” is about to break into earth’s history, mankind will be doing certain things. It will be a time like the days of Noah before the Flood and the days of Lot while he was still in Sodom.

        PP RW, the Lord said, will be eating, drinking, marrying, building, buying, selling, and planting. Things will be going along pretty much as normal for the time. The Lord indicates no catastrophic, worldwide socioeconomic breakdown of any sort in this time immediately before “the Son of man is revealed” (Luke17:30)–the time He breaks into human history.

        This time cannot be the Second Advent of Revelation 19:11. At the time the Lord of Lords and King of Kings breaks through the planetary darkness of death and destruction at Armageddon, perhaps as many as three-fourths of all people on earth will have died as a result of wars, pestilence, and geophysical disasters brought about by God’s judgment and wrath upon an incorrigibly wicked, unrepentant world of earth-dwellers.

        In other words, planet earth’s living conditions at the time of Christ’s return in power and glory at Armageddon will not be anything like living conditions at the time of His intervention into human affairs as He describes in the days of Noah, days of Lot prophecy. At the end of the seven-year Tribulation period, it will be anything but business as usual. It will truly be hell on earth when Jesus comes to destroy all human government and the soul-rending carnage it has produced.

        So, Jesus, in the Luke 17 account, was foretelling the days leading up to the time when He calls His church to Himself–”His church” meaning all Awake Catholic as well as our separated Christian born-again believers who have lived and died during the Church Age (Age of Grace). This is known as the Rapture. To learn more about this stupendous event, read 1 Corinthians 15:51-55, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, John 14:1-3, and Revelation 4:1-2.

        To repeat PP RW, Jesus was not describing His coming back to earth in the Luke 17:26-30 prophecy. He was telling about His coming to above the planet to receive His people–Catholics, and separated Christians—to Himself. The Church, which will then will accompany Him back to the heavenly places He has prepared for them in the Father’s house–heaven.

        YES PP RW! Jesus is telling us about–I’m convinced—this very hour in which you and I inhabit planet earth!!!

        • PP RW, many believe that Daniel 9:24-27 is the most important passage of prophecy in all of Scripture. Almost every mistake I’ve run across in studying the various interpretations of End Times Prophecy can be traced back to a misunderstanding of this passage. Let’s begin the year with an updated and expanded study of this important prophecy.

          Before plowing into it we’ll back up a little and review the context. Daniel was an old man, probably in his eighties. He’d been in Babylon for nearly 70 years and knew from reading the recently completed scroll of Jeremiah’s writings (specifically the part we know as Jeremiah 25:8-11) that the 70-year captivity God had ordained for Israel was just about over (Daniel 9:2).

          The reason for the captivity had been Israel’s insistence upon worshiping the false gods of their pagan neighbors. Its duration of 70 years came from the fact that for 490 years they had failed to let their farmland lie fallow one year out of every seven as God had commanded in Leviticus 25:1-7. The Lord had been patient all that time but finally had sent them to Babylon to give the land the 70 years of rest that were due it. (2 Chron. 36:21)

          The beginning of Daniel 9 documents Daniel’s prayer, reminding the Lord that the 70 year time of punishment was nearly over and asking for mercy on behalf of his people. Before he could finish his prayer, the angel Gabriel appeared to him and spoke the words that we know as Daniel 9:24-27. Let’s read the whole thing to get the overview and then take it apart verse by verse.

          Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and your Holy City to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy. Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until The Anointed One the Ruler comes there will be seven weeks and sixty two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench but in times of trouble. After the sixty two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue till the end and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the Temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation until the end that is decreed is poured out on him (Daniel 9:24-27).

          No prophecy in all of Scripture is more critical to our understanding of the end times than these four verses. A few basic clarifications are in order first, then we’ll interpret the passage verse by verse. The Hebrew word translated weeks (or sevens) refers to a period of 7 years, like the English word decade refers to a period of 10 years. It literally means “a week of years.” So 70 weeks is 70 X 7 years or 490 years. This period is divided into three parts, 7 weeks or 49 years, 62 weeks or 434 years, and 1 week or 7 years. Let’s begin.

          Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and your Holy City to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy (place) (Daniel 9:24).

          Sitting upon His heavenly throne, God decreed that six things would be accomplished for Daniel’s people (Israel) and Daniel’s Holy City (Jerusalem) during a specified period of 490 years. (I’ve inserted the word “place” after Holy at the end of the verse to clarify the fact that it refers to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.)

          We should be aware that in Hebrew these things read a little differently. Literally, God had determined to;
          1. restrict or restrain the transgression (also translated rebellion)
          2. seal up their sins (as if putting them away in a sealed container)
          3. make atonement (restitution) for their iniquity
          4. bring them into a state of everlasting righteousness
          5. seal up (same word as #2) vision and prophecy
          6. anoint (consecrate) the most Holy place (sanctuary)

          In plain language, God would put an end to their rebellion against Him, put away their sins and pay the penalties they had accrued, bring the people into a state of perpetual righteousness, fulfill the remaining prophecies, and anoint the Temple. This was to be accomplished through their Messiah (Jesus) because no one else could do it. Had they accepted Him as their savior their rebellion against God would have ended. Their sins would have all been forgiven, and the full penalty paid for them. They would have entered into a state of eternal righteousness, all their prophecies would have been fulfilled and the rebuilt temple would have been consecrated. It should be noted here that although it appears to have been accepted by Him, God never dwelt in the 2nd Temple, nor was the ark of the covenant and its mercy seat ever present therein.

          Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until The Anointed One the Ruler comes there will be seven weeks and sixty two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench but in times of trouble (Daniel 9:25).

          Here is a clear prophecy of the timing of the First Coming. When this message was given to Daniel by the angel Gabriel, Jerusalem had lain in ruin for nearly 70 years and the Jews were captive in Babylon. Counting forward for 62 + 7 periods of 7 years each (a total of 483 years) from a future decree giving the Jews permission to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, they should expect the Messiah.

          To avoid confusion, it’s important to distinguish the decree that freed the Jews from their captivity from the one that gave them permission to rebuild Jerusalem.

          When he conquered Babylon in 535BC Cyrus the Persian immediately freed the Jews. It had been prophesied 150 years earlier in Isaiah 44:24-45:6 and was fulfilled in Ezra 1:1-4. But according to Nehemiah 2:1 the decree to rebuild Jerusalem was given in the first month of the 20th year of his reign by King Artaxerxes of Persia (March of 445 BC on our calendar, about 90 years later). Exactly 483 years after that decree the Lord Jesus rode in to Jerusalem on a donkey to shouts of “Hosanna”! It was the only day in His life that He permitted His followers to proclaim Him as Israel’s King, fulfilling Daniel’s prophecy to the day! The Hebrew in Daniel 9:25 calls Him Messiah the Prince, denoting the fact that He was coming as the Anointed Son of the King and was not yet crowned King Himself.

          In Luke 19:41-45, Jesus reminded the people of the specific nature of this prophecy. As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace–but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.” He held them accountable for knowing Daniel 9:24-27.

          A few days later He extended that accountability to those who would be alive in Israel during the End Times. “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel–let the reader understand– then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. (Matt 24:15-16) They will also be required to understand Daniel 9. His Holiness & His Eminence must begin teaching this to those in Israel!!!

          After the sixty two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue till the end and desolations have been decreed (Daniel 9:26).

          First came 7 sevens (49 years) and then 62 sevens (434 years) for a total of 69 sevens or 483 years. The Hebrew word for Anointed One is Mashaich (Messiah in English). At the end of this 2nd period their Messiah would be cut off, which means to be executed or literally destroyed in the making of a covenant, having received none of the honor, glory and blessing the Scriptures promised Him.

          Make no mistake about it. Jesus had to die so these 6 promises could come true. No one else in Heaven or on Earth could accomplish this. We can only imagine how different things would have been if they had accepted Him as their Messiah and let Him die for their sins so He could bring them into everlasting righteousness with His resurrection. But of course God knew they wouldn’t, so He had to do things the hard way.

          Do you realize what that means? It wasn’t killing the Messiah that put the Jews at odds with God. After all He came to die for them. No. It’s that in killing Him, they refused to let His death pay for their sins so He could save them. This had the effect of making His death meaningless to them. That’s what severed the relationship.

          Because of that, we now get the first hint that all would not go well. Following the crucifixion the people of a ruler yet to come would destroy Jerusalem and the Temple, the same Temple that God decreed would be consecrated. The Israelites would be scattered abroad and peace would elude the world.

          We all know that Jesus was crucified and 38 years later the Romans put the torch to the city and the Temple destroying both. Surviving Jews were forced to flee for their lives and in the ensuing 2000 years I don’t believe a single generation has escaped involvement in a war of some kind.

          After the crucifixion something strange happened: The Heavenly clock stopped. 69 of the 70 weeks had passed and all that was prophesied to happen during those 483 years had come to pass but there was still one week (7 years) left. There are hints in the Old Testament that the clock had stopped several times before in Israel’s history when for one reason or another they were either under subjugation or out of the land. And in the New Testament we’re also given hints that while God is dealing with the Church, time ceases to exist for Israel (Acts 15:13-18). But the clearest indication of the stopped clock is that the events foretold in Daniel 9:27 simply haven’t happened yet.

          He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the Temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation until the end that is decreed is poured out on him(9:27).

          It’s vital to our understanding of the End Times that we realize two things here. First, the Age of Grace didn’t follow the Age of Law, it merely interrupted the Age of Law seven years short of its promised duration. These seven years have to be completed for God to accomplish the six things the angel listed in verse 24 for Israel.

          And second, the Age of Grace was not the next step in the progression of God’s overall plan, but was a deviation from it. Once the rapture comes, nothing like the Age of Grace will ever happen again (Ephes. 2:6-7). Even when Israel accepts the New Covenant, as Jeremiah 31:31-34 promises, they won’t enjoy the same benefits the Church has enjoyed. The relationship the Church has with the Lord will never be repeated with any other group. Ever.

          But before we try to understand the 70th week let’s review a rule of grammar that will help make our interpretation correct. The rule is this: Pronouns refer us back to the closest previous noun. “He”, being a personal pronoun, refers to the closest previous personal noun, in this case the “ruler who will come.” So a ruler who will come from the territory of the old Roman Empire will confirm a 7 year covenant with Israel that permits them to build a Temple and re-instate their Old Covenant worship system. 3 1/2 years later he will violate the covenant by setting up an abomination that causes the Temple to become desolate, putting an end to their worship. This abomination brings the wrath of God down upon him and he will be destroyed.

          The most obvious way in which we know these things haven’t happened is that the Jewish Old Covenant worship system requires a Temple and there hasn’t been one since 70 AD when the Romans destroyed it.

          Some say this prophecy was fulfilled during the Roman destruction but most believe it’s yet future, partly because of the term Abomination that causes Desolation. It’s a specific insult to God that has happened only once previously. Antiochus Epiphanes, a powerful Syrian king, had attacked Jerusalem and entered the Temple area in 168BC. There he had sacrificed a pig on the Temple altar and erected a statue of the Greek god Zeus with his own face on it. He then required everyone to worship it on pain of death. This rendered the Temple unfit for worshiping God and so incensed the Jews that they revolted and defeated the Syrians. This is all recorded in Jewish history (1st Maccabees) where it’s called the Abomination of Desolation. The subsequent cleansing of the Temple is celebrated to this day in the Feast of Hanukkah.

          Paul warned us that in the latter days a world leader will become so powerful that he will exalt himself above everything that is called god or is worshiped and will stand in the Temple proclaiming himself to be God (2 Thes 2:4). In Rev 13:14-15 we’re told that he’ll have a statue of himself erected and require everyone to worship it on pain of death. In Matt 24:15-21 Jesus said that the Abomination that causes Desolation spoken of by Daniel will kick off the Great Tribulation, a period of time 3 1/2 years long that coincides with the last half of Daniel’s 70th week. The similarities between this coming event and the one from history being so obvious, most scholars are persuaded that one points to the other since nothing in the intervening years fits so completely.

          Soon And Very Soon

          A new leader will soon emerge on the scene, a man with great personal charisma. Following a devastating war in the Middle East he’ll present a plan to restore peace, by which he will quickly captivate and control the world. Since all true believers will have recently disappeared from Earth in the rapture of the Church, he’ll have no trouble persuading most remaining inhabitants that he is the promised Messiah, the Prince of Peace. He will astound and amaze them all with feats of diplomacy and conquest, even performing the supernatural.

          When he claims to be God, all hell will break loose on Earth and 3 1/2 years of the most terrible times mankind has ever known will threaten their very existence. But before they’re all destroyed the real Prince of Peace will return and overthrow this impostor. He will set up His kingdom on earth, a kingdom that will never be destroyed or left to another.

          Having given His life to finish transgression, put an end to sin, atone for wickedness and bring in everlasting righteousness, and having fulfilled all Biblical vision and prophecy, He will anoint the most Holy Place and receive all the honor, glory and blessing the Scriptures promise Him. Israel will finally have her Kingdom back and will live in peace with God in her midst forever.

          • PP RW “Escape” is “EKPHUEGO” in the Greek Bible and means taken out of time & space. You forget the plagues were the beginning like it is RIGHT NOW on the Earth. Later the Jews Escaped through the RED SEA!!! Lot & his family were taken out of SODOM BEFORE the WRATH!!! Noah escaped into the ARK and Jesus said He is The Door. No way when 1/3 then 1/4 of the world dies in the Tribulation can all the Christians ESCAPE the WRATH. Common sense dictates we will be taken out of the way. Again we are NOT appointed to wrath and would attack the Antichrist just like we attacked Hitler and prayed against him! Also The Restrainer MUST be taken OUT of the way, the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit, The Holy Spirit resides in true born again believers and thus common sense again tells us we MUST be taken out of the way! This is why Hitler failed who was close to having along with Japan, tons of Jets and Hitler was working on the Nuclear Bomb, even all the scientists were German that built our bomb and later our Rockets to the moon etc. Read again my posts and you will find ALL the answers to your questions about the fast approaching Rapiemur of the Ekklesia (called out group=church in Greek Geek) 8-)

        • James says:

          FP..I am just wondering what do you believe is the percentage of awake Catholics? Also you don’t spend much time with Paul? Considering he was given the mysteries by the Risen Savior particularly about the Body of Christ and the Catching Away. These were Two Mysteries never revealed to anyone until the Lord revealed them to Paul. The Body of Christ is removed, but I didn’t realize scripturally that Jesus’ Body for a better definition is Bi-Polar?. FP..”When in doubt read the directions”….James

      • RW says:

        First, refocus.

        The debate here is over the timing of the rapture, not whether Christians escape God’s wrath. Yes, scripture does show that believers will escape God’s wrath. We are in agreement that Christians escape God’s wrath; we are not in agreement over the timing of the rapture which is related, but a different topic.

        Secondly, when people begin to lose debates they resort to low brow tactics of name calling. Ad hominen remarks just make one look desperate at best and a psychopath at worst. It doesn’t accomplish anything.

        Thirdly, in the 90s, I took Koine Greek under Dr. Michael McKenzie of USC. My text book’s author was the late J. Gresham Machen, and no, I don’t need to go to your comments for answers. You need to address my arguments which shows the rapture occurs AFTER the tribulation. Instead, you drift off the subject matter and go into a dissertation on Daniel chapter 9.

        Here’s what you need to do, as I have repeated myself over and over again, address my specific argument over the verses I have provided for you. Don’t give me amorphous words like ‘escape’ or ‘imminency’, for these things can apply to our situation after the tribulation. Give me a time reference showing that the rapture occurs BEFORE the tribulation. You can’t, but I can show proof texts that the rapture occurs AFTER the tribulation.

        Everything you have presented, including all the tangential material, offers no time reference for the rapture event.

        Again, here’s my simple challenge to you:

        In scripture, give me a time reference that clearly shows the rapture occuring before the tribulation. Don’t give me ‘escape’ because I agree we Christians will escape God’s wrath. ‘Escape’ mentions nothing about the timing of the rapture itself.

        Once again, I can show you in scripture the timing of the rapture – the gathering of the elect – and it is juxtaposed with the introductory phrase “After the tribulation”. Jesus Himself gave you the context of His Second Coming AND the rapture with those words “AFTER the tribulation.

        Address my argument without sending 14 thousand replies and stay focused. I don’t have the time, nor the inclination to read hundreds of replies on a comments section of an outstanding Christian website.

        Again, the debate is over the timing of the rapture. Does it occur before Daniel’s 70th week, the 7 year peace treaty, wherein the later half is known as the great tribulation, or does it occur after the tribulation, as I have so amply demonstrated with scriptural proof texts you refuse to address.

        Give it up. There is no proof for a pretribulational rapture; the rapture is after the tribulation. It is posttribulational.

        Jesus said so.

        • PP RW, you admit yourself that you studied Greek. Therefore it is not name calling to call you a Greek Geek. Geek unlike the word of yesterday is considered an honorable title. Such as Computer Geek etc. PP (Princess Poppycock) RW is merely playful banter. Don’t be so sensitive and I even give you permission to call me what ever your heart desires. Just keep it PG. How can you claim with a straight face that I have not sighted scripture proving that the Rapture is Pre-Trib??? You have absolutely ignored my dozens of Pre-Trib Rapture scripture proofs. Again, just scroll and read my previous blogs! One of my favorites is the detailed list of the differences between the Rapture and the 2nd Coming. These detailed lists cover numerous scriptures found throughout the Bible which prove a Pre-Trib rapture. You have not addressed the “common sense” arguments such as, using Hitler as an example of a small “a” antichrist. This theme connects to the scripture about the “Restrainer” being removed BEFORE the man of sin can be revealed. Don’t be in such a hurry to have the last word. There is no rush (Unless the Rapture happens) to reply! Take your time and read the evidence already posted. If you are honest with yourself, I’m sure you will agree the evidence is overwhelming that we will not be “Caught Up” to ONLY make a U-TURN and come back right away.

          • RW says:

            I do not wish to impugn any one’s character or resort to name-calling, especially the character of a fellow brother in Christ to even exclude the use of playful banter.

            I just want to present to you these verses which clearly point to the exact timing of the rapture. Jesus said in Matthew and Mark that He will “gather together His elect” (the rapture), and that this would occur “after the tribulation” It states this succinctly and clearly in Matthew 24: 29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 and Mark 13:37 (Jesus says to ALL – Gentile and Jew).

          • RW says:

            To clarify my previous post in response to another poster’s comment, I can accept his point to dismiss the expression ‘peace treaty’. ‘Covenant’ is a more accurate biblical term. I was merely referring to Daniel’s 70th week mentioned in 9:24-27, which has not yet occurred. So, no problem there.

            To reiterate my main contention to my dispensationalist ‘pretrib rapture’ brothers who worship, adore and trust in Jesus (Y’shua) the Messiah for salvation – that includes FP – I strongly point to those five primary verses which actually point to the timing of the rapture event. There are:

            1) Matthew 24:29-31 “…AFTER the tribulation…..they will gather His elect..”
            2) Mark 13:24-27 and 13:37 “…and AFTER that tribulation….gather His elect..” [in verse 37, Jesus
            declares it is meant for ALL believers, Jew and Gentile]
            3) I Corinthians 15:51-52 “(passage begins by describing the rapture with the dead in Christ rising
            first)…at the LAST trumpet”..
            4) Revelation 11:15 “Then the seventh angel sounded (his trumpet)..” – [only 7 trumpets
            mentioned in Revelation; the last, the seventh, announces Christ's
            return; combine it with the previous Corinthians passage to show the
            rapture occurs with the return of Jesus, which is after the tribulation]
            5) 2 Thessalonians 2:4 “…concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ AND our gathering to
            Him…(return of Jesus AND rapture events occurring together in close
            proximity to one another); for THAT day (Day of the Lord marks return of
            Jesus and rapture) will NOT come unless the falling away (apostasy)
            comes FIRST, AND the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition…
            (THE end-times antichrist)

            I haven’t ignored your pretrib “proof” texts; I am just not convinced that any of the passages you cite indicate a definitive time element to support your position; e.g., there’s no direct mention of the rapture occurring BEFORE the tribulation in any scriptural passage.

            If the Matthew 24:29-31 and the Mark 13:24-27 passages had started in this manner:

            “BEFORE the tribulation,….they will gather His elect” then I would have no problem accepting the pretrib rapture doctrine; but as it stands, both those verses declare the direct timing of the rapture event as coming after the tribulation. This is why I am an Historic Premillennialist.

            I hold to the post tribulation rapture doctrine, as do theologians Phil Fernandes, Millard Erickson, Douglas Moo, Robert Gundry, the late George Ladd, the late religious apologist Walter Martin and eschatologist Steve Quayle. I have theological and apologetic works in my personal library from all kinds of evangelical scholars who espouse all the different premillennial viewpoints – pretrib, midtrib, prewrath and posttrib. I even have other eschatological works covering postmillennialism and amillennialism, which I don’t agree with, but have read in order to comprehend their doctrinal points. Even though this is a non-salvific, minor doctrine that believers can disagree on, it is still an important doctrine to examine.

          • RW says:

            Oops, forgot one other point.

            The Holy Spirit does restrain evil, but that passage (2 Thessalonians 2:6-7) does not read that it occurs via the rapture event. That is a forced interpretation, a reading into the text (eisegesis). It just declares that ‘He’ (Holy Spirit) who restrains evil will step out of the way (“until He is taken out of the way” v.7). ‘He’ is not the rapture of the church. No specific mentioning of the rapture event in verses 6 or 7. This passage doesn’t specifically state how the mystery of lawlessness will be released, only that the Holy Spirit will step aside to allow it (the mystery of lawlessness) to take its course. As one of many possible ways, It’s logically possible for the Holy Spirit to unrestrain the mystery of lawlessness via the rapture of the church, but it doesn’t specifically cite the rapture. However, earlier in the same chapter, the rapture (our gathering together to Him) with the return of our Lord Jesus Christ IS specifically mentioned to occur on the Day of the Lord, which occurs after the tribulation and is preceded by the apostasy and revealing of the son of perdition, the antichrist.

            Verses 6 and 7 of chapter 2 does not mention the ‘gathering of elect’ (rapture), only the pronoun ‘He’ is mentioned. ‘He’ is the Holy Spirit, not the Bride of Christ, the church.

            In Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13: 24-27 , the ‘gathering of elect’ (rapture) is mentioned in context and in conjunction with the phrasal expression ‘after the tribulation’.

  36. Charles Tomashek says:

    I think the “Rapture” is at the end as well, or possibly the midpoint, but definitely not the beginning.

    But there is no 7 year peace treaty, That scripture is referring to the Confirmation (or the Invocation of the Curse Clause) of the Abrahamic Covenant.

    In any event, it is not possible for any such covenant to be 7 years duration, since we are nearly half-way through the Seven Years, the mid-point being next April, Palm Sunday, when the Anti-Christ will have his coronation. (Tribulation started October 13, 2010 and will likely end on God’s Jubilee 120; 2017 [New Year's 5778] )

    The Great War of Dan 8, 11, between the first 3 beasts of Dan 7, and also described in Revelation 17, 18 ,19 twice post-poned, is now about 75 days away. In a bit of divine irony (and Foreshadowing) the first three Beasts met for the first time 70 years ago in 1943 at Tehran Iran, and Iran will also be the flashpoint for Daniel’s WWIII.

    • James says:

      CT and RW, I am not trying to start an argument, but I do enjoy the debate. I am sure I have probably asked some of these questions on earlier posts, but we learn by repetition. If the Body of Christ was a mystery in the mind of the Risen Lord until he revealed it to the Apostle Paul, and if the last seven years of the 490 year curse was placed on the Jewish people, why should the Body of Christ be counted in these seven years when she wasn’t in the first 483 years? The Risen Lord revealed eight or nine “Mysteries” to the Apostle Paul, depending on how one counts. The Body of Christ was a secret in the mind of God until revealed. Another was the catching away of the Body of Christ, which in truth is a sign-less event. If you want to put a marker then perhaps one could use the “until the fulness of the gentiles be come in”? Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles. I believe he is the only writer in scripture that mentions by name “Dispensations”. I believe he mentions it four times. I ask people often this question, and they look at me like I am crazy. During this dispensation, how many different people groups are in this world? If one looks at 1 Corinthians 10:32 I believe the answer is three: Jews, Gentiles and the Church of God or a better Pauline term “the Body of Christ”. After the “Catching Away” there are only two groups left the Jews (Daniel 9:24-27) and an Unbelieving world (Gentiles) that wants to take Jerusalem and remove them from off the face of the earth. During this Dispensation one can be a Jew, and then come to Christ, or one can be a Gentile, and then come to Christ, and they are a “New Creation” . So three groups. Just another point or two. Why did Jesus only deal with two gentiles during his earthly ministry? This is a very important point, if one looks at it from a dispensational view. What happens after the “Catching Away” the Lord deals with Israel during the Tribulation (Seven Years) so she will be readied for her coming King and Kingdom. (Short Version) God Bless, James

      • James says:

        Jesus in his earthly ministry only dealt with two gentiles, and if you count the woman at the well two and a half? Why would this be? In other areas of scripture he instructed his disciples not to go into the way of the gentiles. There is an old saying about scripture everything in that book is for us, but not everything in that book is to us. What must one have for a Kingdom? A King, and Jesus came during his earthly ministry to present himself as Israel’s King. I am not going to spend much time here on references. They can be looked up. He told the woman (gentile) who wanted her daughter healed that he didn’t come for the dogs, but her reply moved him. Don’t the dogs eat from the scraps that fall from the Master’s table? He healed the gentile Centurion’s son literally by proxy after he sent his servant. In Matt 24 the rapture isn’t being discussed. How could it be? His disciples in particular wanted to know in most of these end time discussions, when will Israel get her promised Kingdom? They had a vested interest, they would sit on thrones in the Kingdom. A “Mystery” is a secret in the mind of God until he decides to reveal it. The Risen Savior revealed these mysteries to Paul. Now one might say they were hinted at, but a secret is a secret, and they were given to Paul for the Body of Christ. Haven’t you ever ask yourself why didn’t the disciples line up at the tomb on resurrection morning? So think about it for a moment or two, they spent all this time with him, and yet they didn’t get the fact he would rise from the dead? These things were hid from them, and another of mysteries is the blinding of Israel for the gentiles sake. I could say hundreds of more things, but there is a Heavenly people, the Body of Christ and there is an earthly people Israel. Scripture makes it clear the Lord calls Israel his Elect. As a member of the Body of Christ, I can say without a doubt, I can’t comprehend, How Elect I Am as the Apostle Paul reveals to us through scripture. Paul calls it “My Gospel”, and what is that Gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (Short Version) I apologize for not being a very good writer.. God Bless, James

  37. James says:

    Cris, You and I have exchanged a few e-mails, and I believe that we come from basically the same background scripturally. I would like to post a link to an article I read today from a Dr Don Samdahl. It is about the Church, the Body of Christ. I believe it might go along way toward helping people who are tradition laden Catholics, and also for people to see why when one looks over the whole landscape of scripture, the reason the Body of Christ is Caught Away before the Tribulation begins. If you think that it is not for your viewers, I will understand…God Bless, James Hopefully the link will come through, and it is the article The Church (the Body of Christ) doctrine.org

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  39. David Kaas says:

    To truly believe that You can make a difference in your own finite existence, has to be understood from the next dimensions pretenses! We are here as a preliminary test of our wills. That means to each person, to do what they consider is right, not wrong. When we a subjected to merely opinions from the crowd, we sometimes want to believe what we have heard, since there is a lack of understanding within ourselves at the moment.
    Do NOT be misled and do Not be deceived now!
    This is still only the test of what you will do, and what you will take to heart.

  40. Mark says:

    I think human nature tends to looks for complexity where simple truths can often be found. Obviously there is a Italian/Roman connection in Pope Francis’ lineage. However, simple observation of the Pope’s manner and in particular his actions since taking office, point to the fact that Francis is very much like the ‘Peter’ of scripture is he not? If we judge a man not by his words (like previous Popes) but by his ACTION for which Francis has visibly demonstrated to be of the most humble Christian virtue, then I would say he is very much ‘Peter the Roman’.

  41. Jeffrey Erwin says:

    In 1880 Fr. M.J. O’Brien published his “Historical and Critical Account” of the St. Malachy prophecy. And in this work Fr. O’Brien took the liberty of conflating the last two prophecies, paragraphs 112 and 113. That’s right: look at page no. 311 of Wion’s Lignum Vitae and you will see the difference in what Wion published and what O’Brien transcribed. Now, “sedebit” may be translated in several ways, one of which is: “He will sit.” So paragraph 112 may read:

    112. “He will sit in the final persecution. of the Holy Roman Church.”

    This is the St. Malachy prophecy that applies to Francis I. Translated in this way, which is entirely proper, paragraph 112 stands on its own.
    Another serious error that Fr. O’Brien (with all due respect) made was to assume that the word “Finis” simply indicated that “Petrus Romanus” would be the final Pope. O’Brien: “It … says that he is to be the last.” Given the rather ominous nature of 113, I would think that “Finis” refers to something else.
    Every writer of every book and every commentator on every blog has bought into O’Brien’s error conflating 112 with 113 and thereby numbering Petrus Romanus as number 112. But Peter the Roman is actually number 113 in the St. Malachy prophecy, so he cannot be Francis I.

  42. Know ledge says:

    Peter is father – Jupiter ~ Jew Peter ~ Dyaus Pitar ~ Father of the Gods ~ Zeus ~ Deus ~Suez backwards, though that is probably a later name than the Sanskrit citation.

  43. For all the gloom and doom, with the multitude of dis-information now being spread, along with the artificial Moon above our heads, it maybe difficult to see the light at the end of this material tunnel.
    Important now to realize that the Jewish faith has been mislead since 625 b.c. when an apostate group of Rabbi’s seized control of the temple mount, changing the day of Pass-Over to the Waning Moon night. This was officially the end of ancient Israel, as well as it”s devotion to the Creator.
    Today the Jewish faith is still being mislead by it’s parishioners by following the Gregorian Calendar and paying homage on Saturday, instead of the calculated weekly Sabbath each-year which falls upon the Full Moon night upon the first month of God’s Holy Year. This years date will be April 13th to the evening of the 14th, in 2014. Then to be followed by the “Seven days of Unleavened Bread” in view of the seven thousand years of (rebirth) existence of mankind to date. Non of this declaration is followed by the Jewish faith, so you may now ignore any and all misleading information that the Rabbi’s may try to confuse you with.
    Peace & Power to you all.

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      • The majority of Christians are unfamiliar with most of the traditional Jewish holidays. Yet they hold great spiritual and prophetic significance. In Colossians 2:16-17 Paul says, “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come,” [Emphasis added]. When the shofar blows for the new year, also known as the Feast of Trumpets, it is considered a call to wake us up!

        Wake Up ! (Romans 13:11)

        The Bible predicted Israel would become
        a country before it was fought for: Let’s look at the Bible verse
        right before the one above: Isaiah 66:7 “Before she goes into labor,
        she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son”.
        This verse talks about Zion (Israel) giving birth before she goes
        into labor. What could this possibly mean? We saw the verse above that
        talked about a country being born in one day, but what does it mean when
        it says she then went into labor? In his book, The Case for Israel,
        Alan Dershowitz gives a description of what happened to Israel right
        after she became a nation: “As soon as Israel declared its independence,
        Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon attacked it, with help from
        Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Libya. Arab armies, with the help of
        Palestinian terrorists, determined to destroy the new Jewish state and
        exterminate its population.” At the time that this prophecy was made,
        were any countries made before they were fought for? Doesn’t a
        war usually happen before a country is born? What a strange and yet
        accurate prophecy! Israel indeed did give birth before she went into
        labor.

  44. bob says:

    I noticed 312 comments. Since this blog post is all about 3.13.13, I think this blog needs one more post to complete the blog post on this Pope. This current Pope has indeed embraced atheism, Islam, and homosexuality. He is reaching out to Pentecostals. He is a true antichrist pretending as he reaches out to the poor and outcasts.
    It needs repeating that the number 13 reflects Masonry. There is a NWO that Satan is bringing together and will no doubt have aliens involved in some way to delude the masses. Beware of great signs and wonders done by the Pope. That would be so overwhelming to believers that “if possible even the very elect could be deceived”. That is how deceptive the ‘strong delusion’ will be. Stay close to Jesus, in union with Him, in prayer by the Holy Spirit and filled with love for Him only. Only our love for Him will enable us to die for Him. God bless

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  48. Jeffrey Erwin says:

    Sorry to rain on your parades, but Pope Francis is definitely NOT the “Petrus Romanus” of the (so-called) St. Malachy prophecy. The simple reason, apparently overlooked by everyone, is that there are actually 113 paragraphs in this list and Francis is only no. 112

    110. De labore solis. John Paul II.
    111. Gloria Olivae. Benedict XVI.
    112. In psecutione. extrema S.R.E. sedebit. Francis..
    113. Petrus Romanus qui pscet oves in multistribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremedus judicabit populum suum. Finis.

    If you don’t believe me, just go to Liber Secundus, pg. 311 of Wion’s “Lignum Vitae” (on Wikipedia) and see for yourself.
    No.112 stands on its own as: “He will reign in the final persecution. of the Holy Roman Church. Paragraphs 112 and 113 were conflated by Fr. M.J. O’Brien in his 1880 critique. With all due respect, Fr. O’Brien had no authority to alter Wion’s list in this manner.
    Q.E.D.
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  50. zach says:

    Sandy, first of all, many blessings to you; blessings of grace, peace and joy. I agree that America is the “muscle” right now, but the “muscle” is just a hired hand of the “brain”. And many of the elites originated from Europe. With what I sense in my spirit and all the research I have done, I believe destruction, via the bill we’ve been handed, has been planned for America by the elites, and power and “muscle” will shift back to Europe, especially the UK, France, Germany. I also believe that Russia and China will be next in line in terms or world power. At any rate, I believe we will soon witness a mixing of nationalities and what wicked and perilous things will take place as the kingdom and one world government of the Antichrist comes into full swing. But God is sovereign over the plans of Satan and He will keep those who are His. Satan’s time is short. May all God’s true people endure til the end.

  51. James says:

    Why do you think they go through the Tribulation, Daniel’s 70th Week? Of course judgment is upon them. There are approx 7 Billion people in this world, and only 15 Million Jews. Why are they the Greatest Writers, Lawyers, Singers,Businessmen, Doctors,Actors, and Actresses, and you can name any field they are the Top of the Heap. Why? Have you ever looked at the % of Nobel Prize winners who are Jewish. It is astronomical compared to everyone else. They will have Hell to pay for rejecting their Messiah, but he is Faithful. The dross will be removed during the Tribulation. They will be Head of the Nations. When Jesus comes at his Second coming where does he step foot? The Book of Acts and the Book of Zechariah tell us. The Mount of Olives. Why is the Mount of Olives a Jewish Cemetery? They are waiting on their Messiah, and they wanted to be buried there. The Jews will be backed up in a corner during the Tribulation, and they cry out as for an only son. The Son they rejected, and I step out of Heaven with him, when he comes with ten-thousands of his Saints. Either these people are Superior to us or the Lord has Chosen them for a purpose. They where to be the Light Bearer’s, but they failed. The Lord has set them aside for a season, and called another Jew, who wrote most of the New Testament. As Cris said in the last week or so we should all prayer for their conversion. They where blinded for our sake. I asked a question on the board a few weeks ago. How many Gentiles did Jesus have any dealings with in scripture? And why does it matter? Because it makes all the difference in understanding Dispensations. Keep Looking Up, James

  52. zach says:

    Aine, you are absolutely correct. Grace and peace to you.

  53. David Kaas says:

    Did you know that the Nobel Peace Prize was founded by the man Alfred Nobel who discovered dynamite? This wonderful acknowledgement, was set-up by him so that people for all of time would not condemn his discoveries, then(and now) used to main and kill the populace in wars and in everyday situations, in consideration of how many lives have been lost to date. He was a Jew, with a heart of powder!

  54. James says:

    David Kaas, I am aware that Alfred Nobel, was a Jew, and he invented dynamite. I also figured that someone would address this. Mr. Nobel had an opportunity to read his obituary in advance. He set about to change the real obituary, when it came time. So his fortune has been given in several fields of research for many years. As I said in my post, you name the field and Jews will be at the top of the heap. They also created the Atomic Bomb. Depending on which article you read they may have saved a million American lives from invading Japan. They are either Superior to us or they are Chosen. Next time you use a cell phone, if my understanding is correct, you can Thank a Jew…Jesus is coming soon…James

  55. zach says:

    Yes, some Jews have done some good things for humanity and some bad things. But they are only chosen if they put their faith in Christ as the Messiah; this makes them children of the promise. As far as some Jews are concerned, they are satanic and have been at the top of their field because Satan, who is prince of this world, has the power to elevate people to prominence in the world for his purposes. One example out of many would be the Illuminati, Rothschild banking family.

  56. David Kaas says:

    James I just don’t think so yet. Maybe you had better re-read your Bible.

    The next great event planned by our Creator is in the book of Revelation 19:11 It say that “He has a name written on him which no one knows but he himself.” It says also that he has a robe dipped in blood and goes by the name “Word of God.”

    Do you know who is referred to as the “King of kings and Lord of lords” now?

  57. owl says:

    @zach

    You are mostly correct but know that satan does not pick and choose whom to elevate unless you open the doors into the occult. Once you step into this world via the kabbalah and other similar dark arts you become a slave to occult forces and you are given inspirational instructions for building and serving the antichrist kingdom which during this modern age is mostly through science and technology not to exclude philosophical ideas from a luciferian mindset.

    It is more than obvious by now that most discoveries in the last 100 plus years have been geared towards devices that poison, destroy and enslave the life essence. Right now while most of the alternative media is discussing GMOs and to some degree upcoming transhumanism, the real culprit is DNA modification towards engineering serpent like beings which I am not at liberty to discuss here.

    But it will be quite seductive and many will fall into this trap. Always be wary of that you take into your temple.

  58. 1Thes 4:13-, John 14:1-3, 1413=1413 In other words you will see these verses are exactly the same, the first in 3rd person and the last in first person.

    Will The Church Go Through The Tribulation?

    The Catholic Church & Separated Brothers in Christ will not go through the Tribulation. There is a distinct difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming. Some may disagree with me, and that is perfectly okay. Whether you and I, do or do not agree about the Rapture, it will have no effect on our salvation in Jesus Christ. However, for those who disagree, I strongly believe that rather than my being sorely disappointed, you Friends will be pleasantly surprised!!!

    There are many differences in these two events as shown here:

    .Rapture: Jesus comes FOR His Church.

    · 2nd Coming: Jesus comes back WITH His Church.

    · Rapture: Jesus waits in the air for His Church.

    · 2nd Coming: Jesus comes to the earth.

    · Rapture: Church removed and unbelievers left behind.

    · 2nd Coming: Unbelievers removed but Tribulation saints left behind.

    · Rapture: He comes to present His bride to the Father.

    · 2nd Coming: He comes to judge and set up His kingdom.

    · Rapture: The marriage of the Lamb in Heaven follows the Rapture.

    · 2nd Coming: The marriage is followed by war on earth.

    · Rapture: It happens in the twinkling of an eye.

    · 2nd Coming: Will be a steady view of His return.

    · Rapture: Only the Church will see Him.

    · 2nd Coming: Every eye will see Him.

    · Rapture: Jesus descends with a shout.

    · 2nd Coming: No shout is mentioned.

    · Rapture: A resurrection takes place.

    · 2nd Coming: No resurrection is mentioned.

    · Rapture: It can happen at any time.

    · 2nd Coming: Can only happen at the end of the Tribulation.

    · Rapture: Angels are not sent. Jesus comes Himself.

    · 2nd Coming: Angels are sent to gather people for judgment.

    · Rapture: Earthly bodies are changed to Heavenly bodies.

    · 2nd Coming: The Church returns with Heavenly bodies.

    · Rapture: Jesus does not return on a white horse.

    · 2nd Coming: Jesus does return on a white horse.

    · Rapture: Jesus’ return is for His Church (His bride).

    · 2nd Coming: Jesus returns for redeemed Israel and Tribulation saints.

    · Rapture: It is a message of hope and comfort.

    · 2nd Coming: It is a message of judgment.

    I’m sure this is not an exhaustive listing, but with it we can see that the Rapture and the Second Coming are not one and the same.
    The seven year period of Tribulation on earth will be a time of God’s wrath on earth like never before. He will judge the nations and through this self-same judgment bring Israel back in faith believing. “For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” (Revelation 6:17) But concerning His bride, the Church, He says, “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.” (1 Thessalonians 1:10) He promised again in Revelation 3:10, “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” (Revelation 3:10)

  59. Parallels between 1 Thess 4:13- and John 14:1-3 YES!!! 1413=1413 Sooo Cooool !!! 8-)

    1 Thess 4:13-17 ~ John 14:1-3
    that ye sorrow not ~ Let not your heart be troubled
    For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again ~ ye believe in God, believe also in me
    For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord ~ if it were not so, I would have told you
    For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven ~ I will come again
    caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air ~ and receive you unto myself
    and so shall we ever be with the Lord. ~ that where I am, there ye may be also.

    So very cool !!! 8-)

  60. David Kaas says:

    This famous “time of tribulation” mentioned above, by Joseph Michael, will be of great concern to our voter’s in this very next election. They will have to decide at that time, as to the winning out-come of this next election by casting a “write-in ballot” for their choice. There will be many independent candidates, as well as the popular Democratic and Republican Party nominees, however as the race progresses we will then become entirely informed of the very control mechanism previously applied in history, designed to secure each election and thereby deceive the general public. The majority of our Congress and Senate member’s are now involved in this covert scheme, and so will be changed with the election of this new (and righteous)regime. This will be the rebirth that we all now are so in need of, and will mark for us all a reversal of current conditions which are more than apparent by the destruction of the Twin Towers, the Oklahoma bombing, the Colorado and Big Sandy incident, as well as the Boston Marathon explosions. All of these events have been carefully orchestrated to instill fear into our general public, however the powers that be have mis-calculated entirely! Instead they shall “reap from their own seeds the expected results soon” by what can be described as a “landslide victory” in our Public’s favor, thereby freeing the thinking of our 21st century minds. We have also in our favor, word from the Galactic Federation of Planets, that this event is soon to happen which will be a pre-cursor to our entree into the their federation of present Worlds. So don’t imagine that anything is scheduled yet to happen, but the biggest decision that you will ever make for all of this planets history soon. Strap-in, a prepare to listen soon.

  61. David Kass wrote: “We have also in our favor, word from the Galactic Federation of Planets, that this event is soon to happen which will be a pre-cursor to our entree into the their federation of present Worlds”

    “Say What ???” Read Page II of my web site “The Great Delusion” I believe as Cris wrote in his book, that the End of The Age will envolve demons who mascarade as alien beings from another planet. True believers in Jesus will be gone in the Rapture of the Chruch before this happens. The Bible tells us that those that refuse to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior will all too quickley accept the Antichrist who will be full of signs and llying wonders for them to believe in. Already New Agers are hinting that Christians will disappear because they could not make this quatum leap into what will be a giant deception which they will encounter. Who knows, I even wrote two years ago that the Antichrist might tempt unbelievers with a false eternal life, offering them life extending scientific breakthroughs that overcome aging, in exchange for taking the Mark of the Beast. Scary prospect. I’m glad I will not be here for what Jesus clearly said “Will be the worst time that ever was or ever will be on the face of the Earth” I will be “caught up” 1Thes 4:17 in the Rapture of the Ekklesia (translated Church, meaning “Called Out Group”) Maranatha Lord Yeshua!!!

  62. Christy Marsh says:

    Amen.

  63. Jeffrey Erwin says:

    113 is the correct number of prophecies in Wion’s Lignum Vitae. Fr. O’Brien confused everyone by conflating #112 with #113. But 112 (for Pope Francis I) stands on it’s own and reads:

    112: He will sit in the final persecution. of the Holy Roman Church.

    113, Petrus Romanus, follows of course. But we are not there yet.

    And, if one looks at page 311 of Wion’s Lignum Vitae, one can plainly see that 112 forms its own paragraph. Then go to CXII in O’Brien’s “Historical and Critical Account” and notice how 112 has been conflated with 113. Why has every writer and every blogger bought into Fr. O’Brien’s error?

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  2. [...]  There is only one Peter, the first of the Roman pontiffs, and he was seen in his many successors. He still to serve in the final as in the first persecution. We believe Petrus Romanus represents all the Roman Pontiffs from St. Peter to the recipient Gloria Olivae.[2] [...]

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